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Old 03-14-2019, 05:46 PM   #342101
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Humble brag time:

Today marks the third call in 2 weeks from a company I would have been very interested in 3 months ago. (3 different companies) 1 is a significant promotion...2 were laterals but the industry I’ve been trying to break into for the last 3 years.

I’m super happy with my new company but any of the three would have been very tough to turn down. One wants to fly me out to sfbay for an interview next week.

I have been trying to get to the Bay Area for the last 2 years.

Life is weird.
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Old 03-14-2019, 06:15 PM   #342102
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This is my understanding of what Ava does:



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Old 03-14-2019, 06:18 PM   #342103
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I feel like bribing someone would be the easiest crime to get away with, I don't know how they manage to screw it up.



Living abroad and being withdrawn from media can lead to some interesting stuff. I just heard about the Smollett thing and wonder if it being all revealed to me at once made it seem more surreal, but just wow. If I saw this in a movie, I'd call it far fetched nonsense and complain that no one could be that stupid.
Life is often stranger than fiction.

Years ago (well before the age of urgi-care centers) one Christmas day, my mom trips twist her ankle in a lol pothole outside my house.

E.R. room in New York on Christmas day....

We wait.

As we wait, the alarms sound, ambulances show pepple and police come in. People are crying, blowing snot, yelling etc. they are taken to chemi-wash stations.

One guy is on a gurney by us. Handcuffed. He is choking somewhat, he cant talk. People arent in a rush to help him.

Kicker 1. He has a trache, with a hand held voice box thingy. The kind that would make you sound robotic.

Kicker 2. He cant talk - batteries are dead.

Kicker 3. Turns out he maced his family, at family Christmas party

Kicker 4. He didn't like his gift, said something, fight ensues

Kicker 5. His gift was socks.

Now I've watched a bunch of e.r. shows any one or 2 or 3 of the above items in a show would be usual.

All 5, fuggedabowdit.

P.S. mom just had a bad bad sprained ankle. I don't know what happened to the rest of teary eyed folks
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Old 03-14-2019, 06:18 PM   #342104
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at my current weight (and when i was heavier), i actually refuse to run for fitness. i've never had bad knees, but i'm worried that the continual impact would compound quickly. if (when, knock on wood) i get back to like 215ish, i probably would start to include some, solely so i can be more athletic.
when I had my knee surgery, my surgeon basically told me that he thinks road running is a bad idea even for guys at my size (ave 190). he recommended sprints and intervals on grass fields for running if you still want to run, which he's right is great for fitness but is a different mindset/exercise decision than getting up and 'going for a run'

I've had about 4 post crossfit years when I've basically done no conditioning work at all apart from stuff in the ocean and I'd like to get back into doing a sprint session once a week etc as I do think it's a more useful fitness to have than just being able to pound the roads, but I'm concentrating on rowing at the moment which is it's own particular kind of pain
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Old 03-14-2019, 06:26 PM   #342105
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ditto wat fw said - my ortho is quite sought after by elite athletes for knee repair thinks road running is stoopit
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Old 03-14-2019, 06:59 PM   #342106
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I don't enjoy running on the road and am fortunate enough to split my 3 runs a week between a treadmill and a mixed gravel/dirt path. That being said, running outside will always be better than running on a treadmill, which is as much a mental exercise as it is physical exercise.

If you're looking for low impact fitness I can't recommend cycling, swimming, or rowing enough.
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Old 03-14-2019, 07:14 PM   #342107
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In the Seinfeld universe I am definitely George Costanza. Maybe a little Kramer sprinkled in here and there.
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Old 03-15-2019, 03:24 AM   #342108
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Another update:

Another session, another loss, 180bb this time. Biggest pots I lost were squeezing AQs in a good spot and then running into AKo that just flatted and then flop obv contained one of the last two aces. I check-called off obv to give him a chance to bluff, but it didn't matter. Second biggest pot I lost was with KK to a drooler who limp-called 75s vs me and hit a full house. Only lost like 60bb that hand, which honestly is really cheap for a pot that was already 16bb going to the flop. At this point every session is like, let's see how we can rig the cards to make him lose the most, and never win because almost all of his nutted hands are up against nothing.

I did get to stack one drooler, who literally stacked off for 60bb in a limped pot on KQ9 with K7. We flopped the nuts obv. That's what it takes for me to win an all-in, in the last 18 months I know I'm down multiple five figures in all-in EV, not to mention all the coolers and card-deadedness. I don't think anyone would have been able to win with my cards, and I suppose that makes me feel somewhat at peace with myself. I don't feel bad about playing today, because I know tried my best, and that's all I can really do. I recall that feel wrath once PM'ed me telling me that during rough times he makes sure he works as hard as ever, because after that there is nothing more you can do, and there is peace in knowing that you did everything in your power to succeed. So thanks for that.

On a different note, I absolutely LOVE IT when I see some Euro GTO-bot get stacked trying to bluff a rec player with the nut flush blocker and get snapped off by a set or some hand that shouldn't have been betting. I am the biggest GTO-advocate here, but I also understand live poker, and the first rule of live poker is that you never, ever try to make a rec player fold what he/she thinks is a strong hand. They are rec players and did not drive to the casino to fold a set just because there are 3 clubs on the board. You bluff fish when they are weak, not when they are capped. There is a difference.
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Old 03-15-2019, 04:18 AM   #342109
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Humble brag time:

Today marks the third call in 2 weeks from a company I would have been very interested in 3 months ago. (3 different companies) 1 is a significant promotion...2 were laterals but the industry I’ve been trying to break into for the last 3 years.

I’m super happy with my new company but any of the three would have been very tough to turn down. One wants to fly me out to sfbay for an interview next week.

I have been trying to get to the Bay Area for the last 2 years.

Life is weird.
In related news, I am experiencing such a soul crashing downswing that today I legit googled about pizza delivery jobs.
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Old 03-15-2019, 07:12 AM   #342110
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Life is often stranger than fiction.

Years ago (well before the age of urgi-care centers) one Christmas day, my mom trips twist her ankle in a lol pothole outside my house.

E.R. room in New York on Christmas day....

We wait.

As we wait, the alarms sound, ambulances show pepple and police come in. People are crying, blowing snot, yelling etc. they are taken to chemi-wash stations.

One guy is on a gurney by us. Handcuffed. He is choking somewhat, he cant talk. People arent in a rush to help him.

Kicker 1. He has a trache, with a hand held voice box thingy. The kind that would make you sound robotic.

Kicker 2. He cant talk - batteries are dead.

Kicker 3. Turns out he maced his family, at family Christmas party

Kicker 4. He didn't like his gift, said something, fight ensues

Kicker 5. His gift was socks.

Now I've watched a bunch of e.r. shows any one or 2 or 3 of the above items in a show would be usual.

All 5, fuggedabowdit.

P.S. mom just had a bad bad sprained ankle. I don't know what happened to the rest of teary eyed folks
Pretty crazy stuff. Really is a lot of bizarre stuff going on out there. People are weird and that's coming from someone very weird.

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I recall that feel wrath once PM'ed me telling me that during rough times he makes sure he works as hard as ever, because after that there is nothing more you can do, and there is peace in knowing that you did everything in your power to succeed. So thanks for that.
I know I'm in the minority (only one?) here, but I think this is a very dangerous attitude to have with holdem. Very similar to the train of thought "remove yourself from the cash value, and just be happy you got the money in good!" which is equally dangerous if done to excess.

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Old 03-15-2019, 08:16 AM   #342111
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In related news, I am experiencing such a soul crashing downswing that today I legit googled about pizza delivery jobs.
Downswing in career?

Or are you full time pokering?

Either way, sorry to hear.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:25 AM   #342112
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SABR, sorry you're facing the dreaded abyss, mang. You're doing god's work in the strat threads, so I'm glad your frustration has led you back into them for a while, even if the reason sucks.
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Old 03-15-2019, 11:20 AM   #342113
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You have zero clue what you're talking about.

First of all, yes, the SB is a bad position to play from, and everyone will lose from the SB because you can't do anything about the trash you get dealt there. Good players will win from non-blind positions because they can fold their trash for free. Your goal as a poker player is to lose LESS than you would by folding the SB every time, and a good way to do that is to fight for your share of the equity, especially when you have an equity edge as huge as 60/40.

As an extreme example, if you folded the SB every single time, you'd have a winrate of -50bb/100 from the SB. Now if you folded every hand except AA and simply jammed AA against any action, you'd do slighly better than -50bb/100 because you'd win your AA hands but you get AA very rarely. We can obviously do much better than that, and in fact we don't even have to show a profit to 3 bet a hand here, we literally just have to lose less than 0.5bb on average, and it will be a net win compared to folding. This is literally poker theory 101 for anyone who's ever played online poker.

For anyone who thinks I'm wrong or that 60/40 equity edge is not a big deal (this is truly hilarious), this is why you will never get out of the kiddie pool of low stakes, because not only do you not understand poker math at a basic level, you don't want to get out of your comfort zone or get any better. And that's absolutely fine, if everyone played at a higher level there would be much less point to trying to win at poker. But the sheer arrogance of people who are not only wrong but have absolute confidence and conviction in being wrong, makes me feel that poker will always be good.
I say this with peace and love...

Sabr, poker variance and entitlement tilt is currently causing you to (at least significantly contributing to) have an existential crisis.

Perhaps you should tone down the arrogance a notch or two.
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Old 03-15-2019, 11:42 AM   #342114
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Man. Somebody said it. And it wasn't me.






I can't believe it wasn't me.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:24 PM   #342115
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Downswing in career?

Or are you full time pokering?

Either way, sorry to hear.

Full time pokering. I ll (probably) be fine. I ve been through worse.

I ll contain myself and not talk about the horrors of rarely realizing your equity for months upon months. I will say I definitely understand where SABR is coming from. I ve been thinking about this the other day and one of the most frustrating part of playing poker is the non-linearity of progress and the resulting difficulty in planning things in advance and having the sense that you are moving forward, that your life is getting better. I am pretty sure this is true in other areas, because after all poker is like life only with transparent variance, but still.

Anyway, I ll echo Wrath's advice. Focus on doing whatever you can; Worse coming worst, you ll be at peace with yourself.

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Old 03-15-2019, 12:44 PM   #342116
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Folks always assume variance to be equally positive and negative. This may not actually be the case.

It is the case obviously when you get your stack in AIPF with an x%/y% spot.

But seeing a flop multi way with an x%/y%/z% spot with considerable SPR possibly puts you in a spot where the variance may have a negative skewness.
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:55 PM   #342117
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Continuing my not so humble brags, I bumped into my CEO in the virtual world today.

I was walking to a building and saw him coming my way and thought "wtf this guy uses the virtual world??"

He stopped me and said hello and chatted me up for 5 minutes and asked me how I liked working here so far.

I've never even been in the same building as my ceo, let alone gotten to talk to one.

THIS HAS TO BE A DREAM
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Old 03-15-2019, 12:58 PM   #342118
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SABR, any thoughts on taking a lower variance approach to the game, which may technically be -EV $$$-wise (maybe) but likely be a far more +EV mentally and help you accomplish the long term in a much better frame of mind?

The biggest EV lowstakes giraffe I've seen posted in the Winrates thread is Sol's. It is also the highest variance giraffe I've seen in that thread and the swings were mindblowing. Pretty sure no normal human could go thru those swings without experiencing extremely difficult mental health issues (not to mention that I doubt anyone is playing nearly as well as they think they are during these wild rides).

The Koss thread is a good example of this, imo. You really can just fold preflop. Will it lessen your overall EV? Ok, sure, whatever I guess. But at what expense are you trying to ring out an extra 0.1 bb/hr? Is there a happier medium?

I'm just a lowly 1/3 NL rec with a lol mediocre winrate who'll never come close to whatever winrate you've managed to accomplish at real stakes professionally. But I last booked a 200bb+ loss in my game 107 sessions ago, in September of 2017 (which actually turned out to be a 300bb+ loss, lol), which does *wonders* to your poker-related mental health.

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Old 03-15-2019, 01:07 PM   #342119
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GG... there is a singular difference in how you approach the game, vs. Sabr.

You are not trying to be the best player in the room. Full-stop.

If your goal is to be The Best (capital-T, capital-B), then you are necessarily going to have to do battle in every spot, vs. all villains. You cannot, by definition, choose your spots.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:05 PM   #342120
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Yeah, definitely the case on my end and I'll let SABR decide if that's true on his end.

All's I'm saying is that if that ain't working out too well (mostly regarding the long term mental health, as I'm assuming it's working out ok $$$-wise in spite of the recent streak which I'm assuming is just a normal drawback to playing his style) then perhaps letting go of the idea of being The Best and finding a more happy medium is worth a look.

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I say this with peace and love...

Sabr, poker variance and entitlement tilt is currently causing you to (at least significantly contributing to) have an existential crisis.

Perhaps you should tone down the arrogance a notch or two.
Perhaps you should read the whole thread and see that nearly everyone who disagrees with me can't back up their reasoning yet are fully "confident" that they're right and I'm wrong, and you'd understand my "arrogance."
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Perhaps you should read the whole thread and see that nearly everyone who disagrees with me can't back up their reasoning yet are fully "confident" that they're right and I'm wrong, and you'd understand my "arrogance."
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Perfect meme usage lol
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Perhaps you should read the whole thread and see that nearly everyone who disagrees with me can't back up their reasoning yet are fully "confident" that they're right and I'm wrong, and you'd understand my "arrogance."
Yeah, I read the whole thread. You'll notice I didn't say you were wrong.

Sigh...

Welp... If getting out of the kiddie pool of low stakes meaning turning up the mental pressure to the point where you're complaining ITT about calling it a day because you're running QQ into KK, then yeah, I'm 100% with GG on this one -- you can have it, and I'll stay in the kiddie pool thanks.

I wish you the best. Try to take some of the pressure off your head.
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SABR, any thoughts on taking a lower variance approach to the game, which may technically be -EV $$$-wise (maybe) but likely be a far more +EV mentally and help you accomplish the long term in a much better frame of mind?

The biggest EV lowstakes giraffe I've seen posted in the Winrates thread is Sol's. It is also the highest variance giraffe I've seen in that thread and the swings were mindblowing. Pretty sure no normal human could go thru those swings without experiencing extremely difficult mental health issues (not to mention that I doubt anyone is playing nearly as well as they think they are during these wild rides).

The Koss thread is a good example of this, imo. You really can just fold preflop. Will it lessen your overall EV? Ok, sure, whatever I guess. But at what expense are you trying to ring out an extra 0.1 bb/hr? Is there a happier medium?

I'm just a lowly 1/3 NL rec with a lol mediocre winrate who'll never come close to whatever winrate you've managed to accomplish at real stakes professionally. But I last booked a 200bb+ loss in my game 107 sessions ago, in September of 2017 (which actually turned out to be a 300bb+ loss, lol), which does *wonders* to your poker-related mental health.

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I know you mean well and are trying to help, so I'll respectfully explain why your reasoning wouldn't work with me.

I play in a $10/20 game with 5+ pros most of the time. None of these guys are awful (you'd probably consider all of them very tough) but most of them have some leaks. Some are a bit more trappy than others, but worse at hand-reading. Some are tighter pre-flop but overplay and spew in some spots. Some are overall a bit more loose and spewy but those guys usually actually never bluff in some spots because they know their image. Some are usually pretty solid but play worse when stuck. A few are quite good and I don't really have much of an edge, if any, against them. This is to be expected at these stakes, if someone was really bad at poker they couldn't be a pro.

But fish, recs, and some bad regs (who can't be winning) still play in my games, and the bulk of my theoretical winrate will come from those guys. Of course I'll still play big pots vs the other regs, but those are theoretically close to neutral EV and whoever is running good will win more of those (not me). I don't see that A8s as a "close" spot at all actually. If you don't go after the maniacs and the fish, who do you go after? It's not just about that one spot in isolation, but if you are choosing to pass up that spot, you are probably choosing to pass up 20 other spots during the course of a session. And this is not limited to pre-flop. Furthermore, while you wait for that perfect scenario (being in position, having premium hands and easy decisions all the way), that fish might not even be there anymore because he's already lost his money to the other pros. Part of being better at the game is recognizing good spots, but it is no use simply thinking "okay this is good spot but I can wait for a better spot" because in a tough game if you do that, and repeatedly do that, you are going to have no winrate at all.
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