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Old 09-18-2018, 11:46 AM   #334776
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Old 09-18-2018, 11:48 AM   #334777
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I think a really interesting show would be to re-edit all the WPT / etc. shows where Vince and Mike / etc. are falling all over themselves for all the players-of-the-moment (ex. CH) and then to have a little blurb pop up on the screen of where that degenerate person is now / what became of them.

It's almost cringe-worthy watching these earlier shows with the knowledge you have of how scummy some of the players turned out, and yet these shows just continue help perpetuate the myth as you wonder which one of these people is going to flame out in life next.

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Old 09-18-2018, 11:56 AM   #334778
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Yes.
I guess I would feel like I still owed money to this person.

The logic that Cate is using is funny to me "I shouldn't be on the hook for all of the losses if I'm not getting all of the profit". Like, that's pretty much a fkcing credit card.
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:22 PM   #334779
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I guess I would feel like I still owed money to this person.

The logic that Cate is using is funny to me "I shouldn't be on the hook for all of the losses if I'm not getting all of the profit". Like, that's pretty much a fkcing credit card.

not in Chipís case because he acted in good faith according to the stake, he played the games as agreed and lost. itís not an equivalent situation. if he was playing 1/3 staked, then got his backer to put him in a 10/25 game for some reason and lost ~8k, then sort of reneged on continuing to play 1/3 to make up that loss, that would be similar.

i mean in Cateís case KD put her in games way bigger than her normal stake with apparently not much professional OR personal oversight, and expected everything to work out. not that sheís not responsible for her actions but the $60k didnít appear out of thin air and if you are cavalier enough to just put that out there based on ďrepĒ, greed and gambling agreements without any real legal standing, this is what happens.

all of that s*** doesnít concern me in the least, both parties shouldnít have expected any other result imo. but given the OD revelation i hope every single Chad horse takes his money and runs. what a f***ing greedy scumbag, someone died but thatís ok because he was a big winner for me.
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:32 PM   #334780
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not in Chipís case because he acted in good faith according to the stake, he played the games as agreed and lost. itís not an equivalent situation. if he was playing 1/3 staked, then got his backer to put him in a 10/25 game for some reason and lost ~8k, then sort of reneged on continuing to play 1/3 to make up that loss, that would be similar.

i mean in Cateís case KD put her in games way bigger than her normal stake with apparently not much professional OR personal oversight, and expected everything to work out. not that sheís not responsible for her actions but the $60k didnít appear out of thin air and if you are cavalier enough to just put that out there based on ďrepĒ, greed and gambling agreements without any real legal standing, this is what happens.

all of that s*** doesnít concern me in the least, both parties shouldnít have expected any other result imo. but given the OD revelation i hope every single Chad horse takes his money and runs. what a f***ing greedy scumbag, someone died but thatís ok because he was a big winner for me.
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply Chip's situation was similar to Cate's. Chip is doing what was agreed upon as per their contract, I just meant that on a personal level I would probably still feel like I owed money in either situation.
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:39 PM   #334781
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Yeah, I didn't mean to imply Chip's situation was similar to Cate's. Chip is doing what was agreed upon as per their contract, I just meant that on a personal level I would probably still feel like I owed money in either situation.

in Chipís situation he owes nothing with a clear conscience unless he was playing impaired and/or at a skill level significantly lower than what his backer was familiar with, or pocketing the stake. cards were in the air and Chip generated Sklansky bucks, the backer had his chance to profit and just didnít in the sample. Assuming acceptable true HHs were being shared due to coaching, the backer should agree with the above.
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Old 09-18-2018, 01:02 PM   #334782
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hey just want to mention that the threadís hero KyddDynamite is feuding with Cate Hall over $60k stake and glossed over another horse ODing on drugs he was supposed to split with Cate, so i definitely think heís a super cool guy with a great handle on his dream situation as written about in the Washington Post!
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Old 09-18-2018, 01:06 PM   #334783
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I am officially offering my arbitration services in the Kydd/Cate squabble.

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Old 09-18-2018, 01:54 PM   #334784
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Rob is correct

Being a horse is like being the guy from the mr hand video

As far as coaching- youíre better off making a Poker friend or hiring someone for coaching only.

There isnít enough value being taught to continue past a few sessions.


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Old 09-18-2018, 01:59 PM   #334785
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hey just want to mention that the threadís hero KyddDynamite is feuding with Cate Hall over $60k stake and glossed over another horse ODing on drugs he was supposed to split with Cate, so i definitely think heís a super cool guy with a great handle on his dream situation as written about in the Washington Post!
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Just read her Twitter about it and I'm confused.
I got that someone was dynamited with 60k worth of drugs now dreams of chopping up a horse on a Washington Post.
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Old 09-18-2018, 02:19 PM   #334786
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not in Chipís case because he acted in good faith according to the stake, he played the games as agreed and lost. itís not an equivalent situation. if he was playing 1/3 staked, then got his backer to put him in a 10/25 game for some reason and lost ~8k, then sort of reneged on continuing to play 1/3 to make up that loss, that would be similar.

i mean in Cateís case KD put her in games way bigger than her normal stake with apparently not much professional OR personal oversight, and expected everything to work out. not that sheís not responsible for her actions but the $60k didnít appear out of thin air and if you are cavalier enough to just put that out there based on ďrepĒ, greed and gambling agreements without any real legal standing, this is what happens.

all of that s*** doesnít concern me in the least, both parties shouldnít have expected any other result imo. but given the OD revelation i hope every single Chad horse takes his money and runs. what a f***ing greedy scumbag, someone died but thatís ok because he was a big winner for me.
today in the pen: predatory staking
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Old 09-18-2018, 02:19 PM   #334787
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JM3 - I really enjoy looking good nekkid. But its not the main reason y I do fitness. I do it so that I am strong enuf so that I can continue to do all the fun sht that I enjoy doing. It seems to me most of murica is really outta shape. Which is y they stop doing fun stuff. I had a great time instilling my love of the outdoors with my daughter when she was growing up. And it has stuck. She loves doing all the fun stuff. She turns 22 next week. We are planning a big surf trip to fiji to celebrate her college graduation. Its gunna b epic. She has no immediate plans on making babies...but when she does I plan on recreating hard with them. Being strong and lean is important to me in accomplishing this goal. So getting motivated to go to the gym is just simply a nonstarter cuz I will not allow myself to not enjoy those moments.
Good post. Although I obviously already look fantastic naked. Trying to look better with clothes on haha.

I think the difference is I've never been into the types of recreating you are, so the type of things I want to get back to doing don't require a full body transformation.

Like a trip to Fiji sounds awesome, but I would rather go there to check out the views & relax on the beach.

The type of athletic things I want to get back into are like basketball, football, maybe some softball or beach volleyball & running around with my kids & doing whatever it is they're feeling like doing at any given time.
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Old 09-18-2018, 02:28 PM   #334788
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jm3 - good news mang. With yer body type - classic ectomorph. With a reasonable nutrition plan (not eating a ton of fast food/processed carbs) and a reasonable fitness routine you should be basically good to go for a very long time. Moast important thing tho is as you get a little older you really take notice of subtle body comp changes and stay on it b4 its too late. What I mean specifically is with yer body type as a young dude u can pretty much stuff what ever you want into your face and you will not put on fat. As you age that will change I PROMISE. So you will need to cut back on the processed carbs etc if you dont want to get that ever expanding waist line
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squid, not gonna lie, a brief fitness consultation was definitely an ulterior motive for meeting you finally so iím super jelly. doesnít mean iím not still keen on doing so though!
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Old 09-18-2018, 03:06 PM   #334790
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homer - heading back to lv tonight. We will hook up. I gots a new number. Will PM u
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Old 09-18-2018, 03:26 PM   #334791
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Poison Ivy can EAD.

But not mine.

It's already ****ed me over enough.
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Old 09-18-2018, 03:34 PM   #334792
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also, just gotta explain my vitriol towards the Kydd stuff:

as you may know, i lost someone extremely close to me to opiates in 2013, my best friend and both as only children more like brothers.

you can go read his words exactly but ďyeah one of my horses died, i donít care because he was a big winner before thatĒ is such a callous response it made me think about what it must be like as an addict where your personal relationships are likely: friends and SO in some level of addiction, a boss who cares about little than your work/output/profit, and then everyone else who you may have already damaged relationships with by being absent or worse. seems really depressing. and if you go for treatment whether in or outpatient, staff is supportive until youíre not a patient and the most likely relationships youíll get out of it are other recovering addicts of which some are a lock to relapse and threaten your recovery as well.

i always felt really weird about my friendís situation because he lived at home still but also had a ~150k/year salary for a top corp, and he had seen doctors and been prescribed Suboxone before, but since he was a functional enough addict (a lot of WFH capabilities in his position were key iím sure) when he was using he could always afford actual pharmies vs. the descent to heroin.

and so since he was living with both parents and i knew them well to be loving and caring, it was too easy of me to assume they had tried to the best of their abilities to lead him on recovery and that his lifelong highly stubborn nature was the blocker.

the rub is, his parents were older than the average for our age. his dad was already retired and i donít know the exact specifics but he was paying the mortgage. and likely the plan was to sell at some point and his parents would retire in AZ.

well, when he passed i was having my own mental health struggle at the time so i wasnít around at all as i should have been besides attending the service. while i was in AZ before here last month, i went over to their house in a 55+ place in Mesa (no PD encounters thankfully). and it was kind of weird as i expected, and kind of therapeutic, but mostly weird. theyíve purchased a slot in a local funeral home for his ashes and a small memorial, plus the 2 adjacent for themselves. the house itself, maybe 1 or 2 pictures around? but it felt like he moved out finally.

so, i mentioned treatment. he never tried anything that would jeopardize his full salary each month, and it makes me wonder. his parents got the house sold, iím sure they were the beneficiaries of any life ins through work, plus a Magic card collection worth roughly $50k, and all rare enough cards for that to be highly liquid.

i know a horse and backer is a bit different relationship than a child and parents but my outlook on human nature and money is really low.
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Old 09-18-2018, 04:43 PM   #334793
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Ya, so when i win half the profits out the door e.g win rate cut in half, when i lose, i need to make-up portion lost / increase stake. Doesn't seem like an ideal situation...
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If anybody in the thread would like to loan me $5k lmk

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Old 09-18-2018, 05:12 PM   #334795
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JM3, interval training is the best bang for your buck. 18 min on a stair master = 45 on a treadmill = 45 days lifting weights.

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But not mine.

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Just get the steroid [not the cool kind]. Everything otc is placebo.

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Old 09-18-2018, 05:35 PM   #334796
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jm3 - good news mang. With yer body type - classic ectomorph. With a reasonable nutrition plan (not eating a ton of fast food/processed carbs) and a reasonable fitness routine you should be basically good to go for a very long time. Moast important thing tho is as you get a little older you really take notice of subtle body comp changes and stay on it b4 its too late. What I mean specifically is with yer body type as a young dude u can pretty much stuff what ever you want into your face and you will not put on fat. As you age that will change I PROMISE. So you will need to cut back on the processed carbs etc if you dont want to get that ever expanding waist line
Yeah, I've been trying to stay ahead of it & gradually improve as I get older.

I definitely wouldn't describe myself as a young dude, though.
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Old 09-18-2018, 05:48 PM   #334797
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You also have to take into account the overwhelmingly majority of people looking for stakes are either

1. Busto and Debatably small winners
2. Massively ego driven and playing above their roll in games they can or cannot beat.
3. Looking to hit and run and not really considering how much of a grind poker actually is.

You can play 2:5 for a year, make 100k and now you can do things. Most people arenít capable of that and keep themselves on the hamster wheel far longer than they need to with poor financial decisions.


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It's not that carbs(processed or not) make you fat, it's that they are easily consumed in excess amounts putting a person over their daily calorie limit.

The overarching guide should be total calories if your primary concern is unwanted fat.
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In terms of what? I'm assuming you're referring to calorie expenditure.

In all other aspects 18 min stair master does not equate to 6 wks of barball squats.

If your goal is anything outside of burning calories this is terrible advice.
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Just get the steroid [not the cool kind]. Everything otc is placebo.
Yeah, taking prednosone. Leaking like a sieve from the rash, which is gross AF.

Calamine lotion doesn't seem to be helping much, if at all.
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