calling w/ KQ pf is spew.
the rest is an eruption.

You'd 3bet here? I don't think this is a good play

1. You have a 60bb stack in the pot, which will create really akward SPRs if he FLATS you (this is 3/5 ive seen short player calls 3bets and c/f flops lol)
2. You 3bet size will need to be bigger since it's muliway (like 14-16bbs)
3. Why? for value? as a bluff? Are we stacking off on all K/Q high flops? Are we folding to a shove from 60bb?

Calling with KQ pre is a leak?? Please elaborate...

what are you hoping to hit??
besides KJ, this is the worst hand to call a raise with in NL.
gimme a 35, gimme anything where i'm not dominated by AK/AQ,
which they have a lot of the time when they raise.
i'd rather have 2 live cards if i'm going to play against someone i'm not convinced is raising light.
KQ is a nightmare.
go ahead, and keep track of how much $ you win or lose in the next year calling raises with it, and get back to me.

So player and position dependaant it's not even funny

@stampler KQ is actually a better drawing hand then AK. But I feel you being dominated by AK and AQ. I lilke to play KQ for straight, flush and 2pair.

The standard villain is passive they just want to get to showdown. They always are afraid of higher pairs.

I have seen a hh where durrrr, raises QQ pre then c/c 3 streets.

No, durrrr c/f the riv

You might be right I thought he called the river.

If you have the discipline to flop top pair hands and really lots 2p hands, then yes KQ is a decent hand assuming you are getting the right price. Remeber its hard to flop 2p or a really good FD/SD, so its going to be hard to get the right price. Also remember when you hold two broadway cards and have 2p or trips on a 3 broadway board and are getting a lot of action you are beat more times than not by the str8.

You are exactly right, board texture and reading are bigger parts to the hand then just calling pre.

okay, fine.
I'll take AK off suit,
i'll give you KQ suited,
and we can run 5 cards, and do flips all day long for $100 a pop.
i'll even let you pick the suit.

okay, this forum is getting downright scary.
I really thought it was common knowlege that KQ/KJ hands are the biggest trash hands in NL.
'rookie hand' sound familiar to anyone??
I can't believe there is even a discussion.
might as well be discussing that the earth is round, and not flat.
and, of course, it is hugely villian/situation dependant, but that goes w/out saying.
I mean, if i can't 3 bet villian realistically,
why in the hell would i call w/ KQ?? to outflop JJ, and get no action??
besides flopping gin, this is the only decent scenario for the hand.
I don't even think about cailling w/it.
then again, use you nit filters, in taking in what i'm saying.

Well first off, kq is a trouble hand, kj is even more trouble.

But if your up against AA ill take KQs but as long as they don't have the ace of my suit. By the way KQs is my favorite hand. I think its ivey favorite hand to. But he always joking around that his favorite hand is a royal flush. I know of a royal flush he hit vs quad aces. Phil laak always talk about that hand.

Stampler your right only a good player can play KQs profitable.

Its still my favorite hand even though its a sorry hand.

@stampler I want to see where your game is at. What's your favorite hand unpaired and paired excluding the big hands?

My favorite pair is 55, favorite sc is KQs.

I like Ace high, when i snap their pot sized river bet when they obv missed w/ QJ.
(4 way action, call raise w/AK in CO. flop 9TT. checked around, maniac on button checks.
turn, a blank, 4. checked around. I say "i'll check the best hand", maniac bets pot. I insta-call.
river blank. check, snap call his nonsensical river bet./ like a manic is ever checking a T on the flop last to act?))

Jenn Tilleys pair is okay.

Love the level, when I play poker I really don't look for my favorite or force the issue. But it was just a fun question to ask a fellow poker player.


Lmao at jennifer's pair also aHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

thts what im gonna do. probably wont play live til april, going to vegas for weekend anyways in april so im gonna play there.

I remind everyone (again) this is an entry way forum.

Admittedly, I'm failing at coming up with a reason to call with KQ though. But I'm a nit. Just ask anyone who plays at my table.

My EV is starting to level out - I was running hot for the 1st six weeks of this year and have now dropped over 5BI's in the last 3 visits.

I just need to say this here as I have no one to bounce this ***** off in real life.

He's opened to 15, meaning we can weight super strong hands a bit weaker, its a very multiway pot. Folding is better than calling, and if we were in MP I probably would find it close either way between folding and 3-betting. OTB, once no one has 3-bet already, we can be fairly certain KQ isn't crushed, and we can fold out a lot of suited garbage and implied odds kind of hands by 3-betting.

It's pretty much a free $65 now 90% of the time since noone but the PFR is ever calling our 3-bet (and if someone else DOES, we know what their range is, and can expect a high c-bet% to take it down), or calling to see a flop with a hand that does not flop or play well multi way.

Who gives a **** if KQ has some equity. We're not entirely bluffing, but we certainly aren't doing this for value either. We're doing this to capitalize dead money, and win a pot where our hand equity is probably like 20%, 90%+ of the time.

If called, generally our TP's will still be more than good.

Generally he will 4-bet us with AK, KK+ (if its possible for him to have them after opening so small - very unlikely), so the hands that have us super crushed we get away from immediately rather than blindly calling down 3 streets to see TPGK no good.

He will fold hands like suited garbage, KJ etc most of the time, and this is no big deal, sure we're ahead, but our gain from taking the pot now is actually larger than our EV in seeing the flop multiway.

When he calls, what can he have? AQ is probably all that dominates us (again, its doubtful he opens it to 15). Some small-mid pairs that we can barrel off and sometimes value town with TP. Some suited broadways etc which will c/f fold every flop and be RIO vs us when they flop TP.

Thats vs the PFR, vs the others their ranges are all capped at like AJ in terms of hand strength, so we have very little to fear no matter what they decide to do, and again can just bludgeon them with position.

My baby girl (9 months) is crawling all over the place and working on getting her balance. I can't believe how fast the time flies by. Good stuff, ILCD!

Since I mentioned my baby, I figured I'd share a funny daughter/poker-related story:

The first night I went out to play cards after my baby was born, the guys that knew me all asked how my wife was doing and if I had any photos of my baby on my phone. Being the proud father I am, I obviously had a ton of them, even though she was only a few days old. While looking at the pics, the guy sitting next to me asked what we named her. When I answered Antonetta Abigail, without skipping a beat, his response to me was, "Oh, your little pocket Aces." (referring to her initials obv)

Ya gotta love poker players.

Congrats and thankyou my dude

Position trumps being dominated.

I'll take KQs ip over your AKo oop any time.


If villain is a complete nit I can see folding, but if you can't make a profit calling with a hand like KQs against an opponent who is playing a decent amount of hands you need to loosen up your game.