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Yeah, I was confused enough when they started having me mod 4L...now 3 diff forums? Craziness

J will you be in vegas or SD in the next two weeks?

You ought to pm mpethy. He's in LV now for a month or so.

ah nice, thanks for the heads up.

I'm in Vegas for the foreseeable future. Am all settled in & have a job & all that stuff.

That's great to here man. You moved there and got on your feet. I'm unemployed for like a year and a half. I worked hard for 9years. A regular job aint for me. But I have to work super hard. Stop and take a look at my game because its Poker Or Nothing for me. It aint easy especially with kids.

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big 22k pot just went down, and game just started.

Limp pot 3 limpers to hero in mp K:diamond J sb calls bb checks.

Flop (25) K 8 J

3 checks I bet $25 bb folds, 3 women call.

Turn 7

3 checks, ok the first 2 woman have $170 left, the other one has $800.

I didn't know how much to bet here. Since betting half there stacks will result in a shove or maybe draw out on the river. I cover them by about $400. I elect to push in about $180. Everyone folded, did I lose value by over betting the pot?

I just hate having hands vs SS.

Ya, think about what their most likely hand ranges are, then consider what they are likely to call when the turn doesn't help any of those ranges. I would likely bet somewhere between $75 and $100 OTT and call any shove or raise any shove if I left myself room in my bet to reopen the betting.

BTW, thats a big consideration in this hand... do you bet knowing that the SS likely will shove, to keep the betting open or make sure its closed. TBH I think I bet to insure its closed against passive players, we have the best hand here like nearly always, and have a huge lead going into the river, so give everyone a chance to keep drawing without the risk of facing another raise, count on that chain reaction calling for "pot odds" to make a little more money. I might even stop the action after the AI and ask the dealer if the betting is reopened or not, just to make it crystal clear to everyone in the hand, that its closed and they call without fear of me RR.

BTW II, you should not be worrying about "drawing out on the river", worry about your value now, OTT, and what their likely ranges are, and just how far you ahead of drawing ranges which will make up most of their ranges. KK/KJJ raise PF most of the time, 88 CR the flop most of the time, and 77 CR the turn most of time, which leaves str8 and FDs as their primary ranges along with weaker 2P and TP hands.

Yeah I could have bet $75 or $100, but what I was thinking that v1 had K or a J, v2 had a draw or jack combo draw, and I know the asian lady with the big stack had a flush draw.

Against those ranges if there going to call $75 or $100 they will call the rest of they're chips off as well.

Am I right because I really don't know?

Well kind of...

IME passive players are really touchy OTT when the card doesn't help draws or create new draws. They will call one more "smaller bet" to see if they can hit by the river, but don't like to call a big bet without "a big hand".

So if one of them had QT I expect most rec players to highly value this hand and ship it with a SS, raise with what you other two have. But if one of them has QJo or Qx I expect them to call that "small bet" to see the river but fold to the "big bet".

The smaller bet also is more likely to keep those weaker 2P and TP hands in. And all you really need is one caller to set off the chain reaction to start.

So bet $86 and close the betting to a AI by the SS.

BTW if you see a thinking player make a weired sized bet like that, stop and think way would they bet that amount and not $80, $85 or $90 or $100 instead, i.e. in standard sizes for a $5 chip game, think easily stacked.

Thanks man, you right I should have bet like $80 and call a shove.

I love poker, but I hate the stress of turning it into a livelihood, rather than just a fun way to pass the time & supplement my income.

Yeah that's a big difference to me. I play poker because of money never a past time. Idk what a local home game is. Only played one homegame in my poker career.

So I'm all about winning. When you when you become a baller. That's my goal, everyone has there own goals.

Don't get me wrong...I absolutely HATE losing, & it's only really fun if I'm making $$$, or at least breaking even & at a really fun table, but going on a downswong when I absolutely needed the $$$ & it was my livelihood, would really really eat at me.

I absolutely respect those who do it, though.

Let me say this before people misunderstand me.

I play for a lot of reasons. But let's just put em in order.

I play poker because: I want the best for myself. I've always been great at games. Been in sports my whole life, I'm about 6"4 and quite frankly poker is my last chance to ever get on ESPN ima sports fanatic. I'm unemployed and a college dropout. So I'm dedicated its poker or continue to live a poor life. There is no gamble in my game because I have nothing.

Education: I love to learn, love to know how and why something works. I never been a math guy but when I found poker to be good you have to use math. Noway around it.

I love to compete: nothing toots my boat more then beating someone else in anything. I just love to win and to know why and how I won.

Other Pros: this is a big one for me. I have friends but they are friends not poker players. I play this game to meet highlevel players and form friendship in something we both have in common. Passion is a must in my world of theory. If you don't have passion to really make it. I don't really have anything to say to you.

Money: its great to have and would be great for my kids as well. I live a poor life and if I work hard maybe one day ill be semi rich don't even have to be super rich.

Being a self employed persona: this is last but huge in my thinking. If I can get myself to where everything is taken care of. On and away from the table. Those seem to me are achievable goals.

Thoughts?

Ever heard the saying "Poker is a hard way to make a easy living"?

Its true.

Can't be harder then living in the hood. I can't go anywhere but up. Yall not gone believe me but here it goes anyway, I live on Elm St its so hood, people get shot and taking to jail everyday. I wouldn't tell anybody ima poker player over here. Then when I go to the casino I don't want to look like a douche bag saying anything about 2+2. Idk why I'm like that, I guess I'm secretive with my thoughts and don't want to commercialize my knowledge of the game. Since knowone will ever think I'm good at the table. Either I'm lucky or a donk. That's seems to be the image I get at the casino. I would like to keep it that way.

I also forgot to mention. I play for the experience as well. This keeps me through the days we make no money or lose money. Yet still get hours and hands played under our belt.

Ok that's it lol

you know, i agree. the saying should be redacted to:

"Poker is a hard way to make an easy living. But not harder than living in the hood."

more accurate

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That's hilarious, I like it though.

Well you say you are educated, intelligent enough, and have a ton of drive and a lot of heart. If applied to other career endeavorers I will venture to say you will make a much easier living than playing poker.

For someone with these things going for him, well poker would be low on my list to preferred options.

Well its either be a rapper or a poker player. If I want to ever get rich in life. I don't like rapping like that. College naw, a 9 to 5 clearly not the freedom I want. Pros play when ever they want the casino is open 24 hrs.

Well poker I been hanging on by a thread. But I'm in the build a bankroll part of my career. It usually takes a couple or a few years to settle down. With that then boom ill be out the hood.

LOL