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07-22-2012 , 01:36 PM
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07-22-2012 , 01:39 PM
@Sabr I'm watching lemans. I think that's how you spell it. But the race with all the different cars. **** is tight ass hell.
07-22-2012 , 01:52 PM
Lemans and F1 are amazing...alot of action and strategy. So much thinking goes into it than most think. The F1 strategists measure the weight of the car with x amount of fuel down to pound, and figure in tire wear and weather to get an otimal strategy.
Also watching these gives you a sneak peek at some of the technology from auto manufacturers that will trickle down to regular cars
I remember in 2003, BMW introduced a hologram display for the helmet of Ralph Shumachher, which gave him critical information about the car and race.
Two years later, BMW introduced HUD in the E60 M5.
07-22-2012 , 01:53 PM
I used to pay out of my ass for lawyer fees to get rid of speeding tickets. Those days are long gone and so is my appetite for fast cars.
07-22-2012 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AmazonPrime
I used to pay out of my ass for lawyer fees to get rid of speeding tickets. Those days are long gone and so is my appetite for fast cars.
Passport 9500ix has saved my arse at least 6 times...more so because of the stupid red light and speeding cameras that are popping up more and more.

For me, it's not the speeding that gives me the most thrill, but rather the acceleration and torque. Once a car guy, always a car guy
07-22-2012 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by endodocdc
For me, it's not the speeding that gives me the most thrill, but rather the acceleration and torque. Once a car guy, always a car guy
I do have to agree with such statement.
07-22-2012 , 02:04 PM
You guys are really making me miss my mazdaspeed3.
07-22-2012 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I love Arizona. Spent some time there un the intelligence school. Have a friend living there I want to go visit soon. One of my favorite places.
I'm assuming that was Fort Huachuca south east of Tucson.

You might try the games at Casino del Sol on the SW outskirts of Tucson - multiple 1-2 blind games every day of the week, 2-5 blind running many nights, definitely running on weekend nights. If you've played in Arizona you'll know it is technically spread limit 2-500 but the $500 cap does not come into play often in these games. Buyins are 40-200 in the 1-2 and 100-500 in the 2-5.
07-22-2012 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
So here is the biggest pot I have played in some time

Villain and I are both like 2k deep

Villain is a spazzy asian player. I really don't know how else to put it, he raises pf and can really be bluffy or can be really loose passive. It depends on how he has done in the pit and how much he has to drink I guess.

Villain opens in CO to 20
The dentist calls on the button
folds to Hero in the BB with AA who 3bets to 80

Villain calls, dentist folds

Pot is 180
Flop is A34
Hero bets 85
Villain calls

Pot is 370
Turn is K
Hero bets 225
Villain calls

Pot is 820
River is 7
Hero bets 325
Villain tanks forever and raises to 825

At this point I am calling 500 to win 1970 and am getting 1:3.94 and I just can't figure out why villain wouldn't have raised with a flush earlier unless he has exactly KQ and I am thinking he has 33/44 and is raising the river thinking I will call with AK.

I call and villain shows 97.
really ****ty situation, sorry about that. flop bet is criminally small imo. betting less than half pot is just leaving money on the table. but i guess that worked out in your favor here. wouldnt feel too bad about the hand.

good point about absolute vs relative here.

Last edited by itJustGotReal; 07-22-2012 at 03:26 PM.
07-22-2012 , 03:50 PM
is it me or is ilcd super results oriented, egotistical and misapplies almost every concept rolling around in his head?
07-22-2012 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by endodocdc
For me, The Asian factor always overtakes all logical deductions in these spots. That's a def leak for me.
But, to discuss your line, would ch/call river> leading ?
Tbh, I'm not entirely convinced river is a ch/f unless I specifically put villain on KsQs.
river is definitely a bet/fold, villain could easily have AK
07-22-2012 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Absolute v relative man. Have you ever seen someone raise like this at 2/5 with less than a flush?
Speaking of which, I saw a hand that amazed me last night:

Limped pot, 4 players see the flop, which is Ac 6d 4c checks around. Turn 8c, SB bets 5, two callers in BB and UTG.

River 5h, SB checks, bb checks, UTG bets 10, SB raises to $45, bb folds, UTG calls with AT and loses to 86. Straight possible, flush possible and dude c/r with weak 2 pair. I was stunned.

It turned out later that he was just a complete moron and thought in absolute terms about his hand only.

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Originally Posted by jrr63
I'm assuming that was Fort Huachuca south east of Tucson.

You might try the games at Casino del Sol on the SW outskirts of Tucson - multiple 1-2 blind games every day of the week, 2-5 blind running many nights, definitely running on weekend nights. If you've played in Arizona you'll know it is technically spread limit 2-500 but the $500 cap does not come into play often in these games. Buyins are 40-200 in the 1-2 and 100-500 in the 2-5.
Yeah, I was at fort huachuca. I should have been more careful in my other post; the friend I have in Arizona is in Tempe, not Tucson as I made it sound.

Intel on games in that area?
07-22-2012 , 04:11 PM
Any opinions on the hand mpethy?

Also last night I saw some guy check/flat call with the stone cold uber nuts and people were like "wtf" and he said "there was enough money in there for me"
07-22-2012 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by $hitJustGotReal
is it me or is ilcd super results oriented, egotistical and misapplies almost every concept rolling around in his head?
I'm never results oriented, egotistic or misapply concepts.

The problem is this is a forum. Writing on here is like writing an article in a magazine. But this is 2+2 so my writing is geared toward players who know all the basics. So my general statements are meant for people to use their deductive logic. I don't expect the average poster to understand what I'm saying. But to use their mind instead of explaining every detail.

Its a good thing I think this way. It makes for good topics and conversation. Plenty of threads where I disagreed with everyone to get a better discussion. So I can analyze all aspects. The wrong and the right.

It would be a reallying boring forum. If all the threads went like: poster A says some advice and everyone else agreed and said +1. If nobody disagrees we wouldn't have good threads.

Galfond said something like: if you can't learn from other players regardless if they are not as good as you, than you have ego problems.

@Rise you probably don't know this, but the main reason I come on the forums is to learn from other peoples mistakes regardless if I think I'm better than them.
07-22-2012 , 04:13 PM
Probably the single topic that competent but not good players struggle with the most is absolute v relative hand strength. JTo is not a good hand on a QTT9 with a Flush there.
07-22-2012 , 04:14 PM
Best games IMO are Arena Poker at Casino Arizona at Talking Stick, not more than 20 min from Tempe (might depend on time of day and where you are in Tempe). Unfortunately about 1.5-2 hours drive for me. In the winter 5-10 runs most days, and also multiple 1-2, 2-3, 3-5 blind games. With escalating buyins by blind level (5-10 is 2500 max, 3-5 is 1k, etc.). All still $500 cap on single bets.

Deadmoneywalking can give you more specifics.
07-22-2012 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by $hitJustGotReal
is it me or is ilcd super results oriented, egotistical and misapplies almost every concept rolling around in his head?
Pretty much. He over rates himself more than any regular on this board, and constantly misses the main point of what is being discussed. Throw in random Galfond quotes and basic misunderstanding of certain concepts and terminology, and you sum up his participation in a nut shell.
I finally put him on ignore and the threads all looked a lot better.

The funny part is in general I like the guy, but when he gets his ego going he becomes unbearable.
07-22-2012 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
Sounds like betting to protect. Which is pretty bad in a cash game. I would raise turn in a tournament but not in a cash game, A reraise should get naked K or Q to fold and a 4bet should get a combo draw to fold. That type of thinking won't work in a cash game since fish can always reload. Whole different dynamic.


The key component in a cash game is to let your opponent draw but don't pay him off when he gets there. Since hero is charging himself to draw villain doesn't have to bet. He just has to wait to the river and pop it up. Hero has something in villains mind hopefully AxK. Which every fish puts the raiser on anyway.
if villain can create 0 FE, and our hero can never fold, he's shoving turn for value... not to "protect"
07-22-2012 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Probably the single topic that competent but not good players struggle with the most is absolute v relative hand strength. JTo is not a good hand on a QTT9 with a Flush there.
burn
07-22-2012 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Any opinions on the hand mpethy?

Also last night I saw some guy check/flat call with the stone cold uber nuts and people were like "wtf" and he said "there was enough money in there for me"
You had reasonable bluff catching odds, so it's down to your read on what his bluffing frequency is/was.

Sounds like you also thought he was capable of value-raising worse. If that wasn't wishful thinking, and he can really raise a set of 3s or 4s there, then it is definitely close on the river, because his sets plus his bluffs could easily be 1/4 of his raises (again, if your read is that he will bluff sometimes).

In my game, it's a fold. I rarely see a player with a river bluff raising range.
07-22-2012 , 05:35 PM
Im smoking pizza right now. Will TR after I eat it.
07-22-2012 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
You had reasonable bluff catching odds, so it's down to your read on what his bluffing frequency is/was.

Sounds like you also thought he was capable of value-raising worse. If that wasn't wishful thinking, and he can really raise a set of 3s or 4s there, then it is definitely close on the river, because his sets plus his bluffs could easily be 1/4 of his raises (again, if your read is that he will bluff sometimes).

In my game, it's a fold. I rarely see a player with a river bluff raising range.
The factor for me becomes "do they know if they are bluffing?"
07-22-2012 , 06:56 PM
TR.... Smoked Pizza is the best evarrrrrrrrr. GG
07-22-2012 , 07:11 PM
never folding the aces hand. I bet way bigger on every street though so I'm committed by the river though.

Relative vs absolute... that's if you assign villain no bluffing range.
07-22-2012 , 07:22 PM
I would appreciate y'alls feed back on the hand I just posted "what's my river move". I've been stumped about it all weekend.

btw...Great weekend at the tables. Tournament Circuit is the bomb for the cash games.

      
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