I guess turn play was confusing? He would have thought villain would turn raise with a weak flush because hero can have the Ks

85/225/325 those are huge bets and villain let you do the betting. Did you not read my story in the conventional wisdom thread? Obviously not. I suggest you read it and change your style up asap.

Another hand 1/1.

UTG straddles,I didn't manage to figure out either he was a lag genoius or running incredibly hot lol. But he was raising a ton,calling a ton and winning and flopping a ton.

Folded to me,I wake up with JJ on the BTN and raise to 9 (raise size check?).

Straddler calls. Flop AQQ and goes check check. Turn is an 8 putting a FD in.

Villain checks,should I bet 1/2 PSB for value and check back river or x turn and bet river if it is not an overcard?

Not in a pot that big, I think the river is a pretty clear fold but I just wasn't thinking straight and couldn't fold it. Kind of sucks because I had probably played about as good for the first 3 hours of the session as humanly possible.

no offense but I think almost all your advice is ****

So my advice for big bet tags who bet huge all the way to the river and can't fold to a reraise because they get emotionally attached to their hand is bad advice? You mad?

basically this and I mean he has to be worried about AK/AA/KK here but my biggest mistake was thinking he was a thinking player. When I called I sighed and flipped my hand over and tossed it in the muck and everybody gave me the "no way I can fold that hand! speech" and villain basically said he was scared of another spade hitting or the board pairing which is why he didn't raise. Which makes no sense but obviously you live, you learn. I finished the session down exactly 520 bucks which is like that river call plus tips so it is a bit humorous.

no just your general advice regarding every hand is bad and the river is obviously a fold although I have no idea wtf you are talking about but all the asians I play with are psychotic.

ILCD does say smart things every once in a while.

Ilcd crap to good ratio is absurdly high.

not enough to justify his condescending attitude or banal remarks

Good thing the dealer was incompetent. He should have ruled you called and dealt the flop. Think how tilted you'd be if he hit his set.

Your statement makes no sense. If I'm villain and I have a made flush and I put hero on a Ks why would I raise with no FE?

When you are evaluating a hand. Take what you would do out of the scenario. You have to understand what individual people do in this game. Ego won't take you far in poker.

Lololololololololo awesome.

because you are getting value, wtf?

Why wouldn't you raise if you have a flush and you think the other player will put money in the pot!?

anyway tl;dr river is a fold and i'm a fish for calling but it happens

It's not about FE.

You think in a very "linear" fashion. Instead you should think of scenarios more like a flow chart.

But I'll play along: As villain, if you knew you had zero FE, you should be raising turn 100% of the time. In fact, you should be shoving! DUCY?

You really never cease to amaze me.

For me, The Asian factor always overtakes all logical deductions in these spots. That's a def leak for me.
But, to discuss your line, would ch/call river> leading ?
Tbh, I'm not entirely convinced river is a ch/f unless I specifically put villain on KsQs.

Sounds like betting to protect. Which is pretty bad in a cash game. I would raise turn in a tournament but not in a cash game, A reraise should get naked K or Q to fold and a 4bet should get a combo draw to fold. That type of thinking won't work in a cash game since fish can always reload. Whole different dynamic.


The key component in a cash game is to let your opponent draw but don't pay him off when he gets there. Since hero is charging himself to draw villain doesn't have to bet. He just has to wait to the river and pop it up. Hero has something in villains mind hopefully AxK. Which every fish puts the raiser on anyway.

It's time to stop ilcd

You right, ill chill. Clearly DW in here.

Flame war stopping bump

A lot of misused concepts and terminology. Things like Protection and information are consequences of betting, not reasons for it. Your betting for lean 100% motha****ing value here
You also set up the scenario by declaring we have zero FE, but now are discussing the hazards of raising here to fold the drawing part of here's range?

I tell you what. Think really hard about this hand, specifically the turn action.
I will make a flow chart and post it in this thread to show you the different dynamics. I'm on my iPad ATM, so I can't do it now

No need endoc you have your views I have mine, I would never raise ott with a smaller flush. I'm always charging but never over charging.