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07-22-2012 , 05:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
Sure why not? 11t came and sat on my left. He moved to a neutral seat though and then we crushed.

Hopefully you're not the reg I just told was terrible because he flatted AA OOP to a 4bet 100bb deep.
not me but prepare to see me suck anyway

why tell him that?
07-22-2012 , 05:28 AM
kolb

raise pre

since you didn't, bet flop, hard. you get value from good 8x, all Tx and FD and all str8 draws,

always be betting!

nh; getting it all in with the nuts is always nice
07-22-2012 , 05:32 AM
the c/r is way too small too.
07-22-2012 , 05:33 AM
I personally like tao beach more than tao. Largely because I don't like to dance.

Sounds like a fun night.
07-22-2012 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
the c/r is way too small too.
yeah, i know. it doesn't matter. hand plays out the same way. even if i make it $40 no one is ever folding their hands there.
07-22-2012 , 06:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
yeah, i know. it doesn't matter. hand plays out the same way. even if i make it $40 no one is ever folding their hands there.
do realize its different every time

c/r pot or 1.5x pot imo

their calling ranges are still the same
07-22-2012 , 06:32 AM
So here is the biggest pot I have played in some time

Villain and I are both like 2k deep

Villain is a spazzy asian player. I really don't know how else to put it, he raises pf and can really be bluffy or can be really loose passive. It depends on how he has done in the pit and how much he has to drink I guess.

Villain opens in CO to 20
The dentist calls on the button
folds to Hero in the BB with AA who 3bets to 80

Villain calls, dentist folds

Pot is 180
Flop is A34
Hero bets 85
Villain calls

Pot is 370
Turn is K
Hero bets 225
Villain calls

Pot is 820
River is 7
Hero bets 325
Villain tanks forever and raises to 825

At this point I am calling 500 to win 1970 and am getting 1:3.94 and I just can't figure out why villain wouldn't have raised with a flush earlier unless he has exactly KQ and I am thinking he has 33/44 and is raising the river thinking I will call with AK.

I call and villain shows 97.
07-22-2012 , 06:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t
I just can't figure out why villain wouldn't have raised with a flush earlier unless he has exactly KQ
1. He doesn't want to blow you off of Ax or a pp w/1 spade
2. He isn't thinking and goes into autopilot slowplay mode with the best possible rank of hand

Tough hand
07-22-2012 , 07:05 AM
Pretty sick. I would bet bigger on every street though. You can never get away there.
07-22-2012 , 07:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t
So here is the biggest pot I have played in some time

Villain and I are both like 2k deep

Villain is a spazzy asian player. I really don't know how else to put it, he raises pf and can really be bluffy or can be really loose passive. It depends on how he has done in the pit and how much he has to drink I guess.

Villain opens in CO to 20
The dentist calls on the button
folds to Hero in the BB with AA who 3bets to 80

Villain calls, dentist folds

Pot is 180
Flop is A34
Hero bets 85
Villain calls

Pot is 370
Turn is K
Hero bets 225
Villain calls

Pot is 820
River is 7
Hero bets 325
Villain tanks forever and raises to 825

At this point I am calling 500 to win 1970 and am getting 1:3.94 and I just can't figure out why villain wouldn't have raised with a flush earlier unless he has exactly KQ and I am thinking he has 33/44 and is raising the river thinking I will call with AK.

I call and villain shows 97.
your smallish bet otr told him that his flush was good. No matter because he was never folding it. Lol at villain for not getting your stack in.
07-22-2012 , 08:03 AM
eff stacks 140bbs

co is raising a ton, and raises to 5x over utg limper, young guy

I call on btn with t9o....(leak?)

utg guy raises to 17bbs. ($50)

co calls

we call (leak?)

flop K9Tr,

utg bets 17bbs. ($50) into. pot of 50bbs (150ish)

co calls

wtf do we do, pot os 167bbs and we have 130ish bbs behing
07-22-2012 , 08:26 AM
3bet bluff or fold pre imo

If the pot is 50bbs and utg bets 17bbs then pot should be 50+17*3=101bbs after we match the bet

And how do we have 130bbs left if we started w/140bbs
07-22-2012 , 08:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhcg86
eff stacks 140bbs

co is raising a ton, and raises to 5x over utg limper, young guy

I call on btn with t9o....(leak?)

utg guy raises to 17bbs. ($50)

co calls

we call (leak?)

flop K9Tr,

utg bets 17bbs. ($50) into. pot of 50bbs (150ish)

co calls

wtf do we do, pot os 167bbs and we have 130ish bbs behing
Quit switching back and forth measuring pots/stacks/bets. Youre giving me double vision. Pick a unit. bb or $.

I flat, and plan to get it all/most of it in on any reasonable turn. Im resigned to losing all my monies when im no good here so long as i get all the monies when i am good. Most probable scenario is both have a king of some sort.

also both pf calls are leaky IMO. The second is worse than the first though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Bumwaters
And how do we have 130bbs left if we started w/140bbs
eff stacks are 140, possibly because others started with 140, not because he did.

Last edited by AEPpoker; 07-22-2012 at 08:35 AM.
07-22-2012 , 10:05 AM
utg limps
co raises to 15
I flat on btn
utg makes it 45
co calls
I call

we all have like 400

flop K9Tr and utg leads for 50, co calls

pot is 185 and we have 350 ish

now what
07-22-2012 , 10:21 AM
1/3

eff stacks 600

raised to 12 dollars pre. AdTh, got 3 callers, vill is CO

flop QJ9hhh

I bet 20, he raised to 75...wtf now what?
07-22-2012 , 10:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Pretty sick. I would bet bigger on every street though. You can never get away there.
What range do you have for a villain who looks up both barrels and then raises your third barrel on OTR?

And he made the decision even easier by tank/raising. Tank/raising is always superLOL obvious nut-type hands. I would have folded that without a second thought. Moral of the story, tank raise me on a dangerous board if you want to exploit me.

dhcg: How are you going to continuously put on this arrogant persona and then barrage the thread with stupid "wtf I need help here" posts? Stay in character and pick a side!
07-22-2012 , 10:50 AM
OMG... forgot about the sickest bad beat I took yesterday:

Game is 5/10 and UTG straddles 20.

- Folds to me in MP with AA... I open to 70
- Gets to this old (55+) super passive nit old man in like CO (he has 470) and he 3bets to 150....
- Back to me and just toss in a 500 chip over the 70....
- He tanks for 2 mins.... and FOLDS?

INSTA TILT
07-22-2012 , 10:58 AM
you and cali talking about "bad beats" when you win the pot is super tilting...
07-22-2012 , 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TAOxEaglex
What range do you have for a villain who looks up both barrels and then raises your third barrel on OTR?

And he made the decision even easier by tank/raising. Tank/raising is always superLOL obvious nut-type hands. I would have folded that without a second thought. Moral of the story, tank raise me on a dangerous board if you want to exploit me.

dhcg: How are you going to continuously put on this arrogant persona and then barrage the thread with stupid "wtf I need help here" posts? Stay in character and pick a side!
easily....by asking for help when I need it!
07-22-2012 , 11:26 AM
las vegas pro grinders

3x open K7dd utg, then call a 3b from sb to 12bbs....100bbs eff

solid

rofl
07-22-2012 , 11:50 AM
in hind sight I wish I would have not posted that hand and put it as a PAHWM
07-22-2012 , 12:10 PM
@11T I think you played it fine...a question? If he's bluffy, would it make more sense to check river and let him bluff? and with his value range is he the type that has a bigger calling range vs. betting range?

@dhcg86 The first call is ok (LP raiser, we call and can get a few others to call too) , but the second call pre is a def leak
07-22-2012 , 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t
So here is the biggest pot I have played in some time

Villain and I are both like 2k deep

Villain is a spazzy asian player. I really don't know how else to put it, he raises pf and can really be bluffy or can be really loose passive. It depends on how he has done in the pit and how much he has to drink I guess.

Villain opens in CO to 20
The dentist calls on the button
folds to Hero in the BB with AA who 3bets to 80

Villain calls, dentist folds

Pot is 180
Flop is A34
Hero bets 85
Villain calls

Pot is 370
Turn is K
Hero bets 225
Villain calls

Pot is 820
River is 7
Hero bets 325
Villain tanks forever and raises to 825

At this point I am calling 500 to win 1970 and am getting 1:3.94 and I just can't figure out why villain wouldn't have raised with a flush earlier unless he has exactly KQ and I am thinking he has 33/44 and is raising the river thinking I will call with AK.

I call and villain shows 97.
Absolute v relative man. Have you ever seen someone raise like this at 2/5 with less than a flush?

Last edited by ikestoys; 07-22-2012 at 12:15 PM. Reason: Especially after the forever tank
07-22-2012 , 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11t
in hind sight I wish I would have not posted that hand and put it as a PAHWM
How is that not the easiest fold in the world? An asian raises you on a monotone board. I'm never calling that.
07-22-2012 , 12:15 PM
1/1 hand UTG (about 150£) is a very active guy,raising to 15x preflop most of the time. He did that with broadway,AQ,medium PP. Then he raised some weak hands to like 4 or smth.

He raises to 10,UTG+1 flats (~60£),not much info on him. I am with ATs on the BTN (150£). I decide to call,I prolly get it in with like TT+,AQ? amarite?

Flop comes Axx dry. UTG checks (he always bets TP),UTG+1 checks.

Pot is ~30ish,I bet 10 (wanna milk UTG) he calls,and UTG+1 ships for 50.

Is this a fold? Or could my sizing have induced smth from worse?

      
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