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04-29-2010 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by smokingrobot
This is an old hand but I thought i would show off some terrible play.

I'm in the SB with AQ. My table is a gold mine but i havent hit a flop in about 7 hours. I'm on tilt. I'm in for 2.5 BI's and i should've left hours ago. But the one guy with all the money is so god awful its only a matter of time before i finally connect, double through him etc.

I have about 140BBs, Fish Villain has about 300BB, Euro-Villain has about 90BB.

1 limper, folds to fish makes it 4BB, euro-villain flats on the button, I opt to squeeze since fish villain is incompetent who is raising super wide, my only concern is Euro-Villain who flats on the button. Euro villain is aggro enough that he would have 3-bet AK a good portion of the time and 100% 3bet KK/AA (flatting with Kings and Aces is not in his repertoire) So i decide to squeeze - ive been player super tight as i'm running super cold, i figure if i raise enough i can get take the pot right there a good portion of the time, or take the pot w/ a C-bet a good portion of the time.

So back to play:
Fish raises 4BB, V2 flats, i squeeze to 18BBs, fish flats, villain flats again.

Flop: (56BB)
7c 9c As

I lead 50BB, i also have Qc but not Ac, fish flats, V2 shoves, i shove, fish folds.

i assumed v2 was good enough to realize that he's losing money calling 90 bucks while getting less than 8:1 IO's but looks like i was wrong
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Is this a bad call by him?
You squeezed to 18 BBs. The fish flats. V2 has 4 in the pot already, so the total pot is 40 BB. Add that to your remaining stack of 122BB, and the total he could win if he stacks you (shortest stack in the hand) is 162 BB, and he only has to call 14BB more. He is getting better than 10-1 to make the call here.
If I misread and you raised 18BB on top of the 4BB, the math still works out in his favor to make the call (22B + 22B + 4BB + 118BB = 166BB vs. a 18BB call). Your stack alone isn't worth the call in that case (although it is close as 18BB x 8 = 144BB), but the fish creates your problem.
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04-29-2010 , 10:38 PM
I dont have a what a hand...but I do have a what the eff is wrong with my effin car BBV story!!!! arrrrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!!!!!

I just fu*** tore that b*** apart to try to get to my heater air blend door and I still didnt find the motherf****. Now my sh** is in pieces and I am to tired to put it back together plus its dark outside. I am very irritated and my car is in f***** pieces.


But you know what? I'm still gonna drive that piece of sh** to work tomorrow. I dont give a f*** if my dash is completely torn apart or my radio is on the floor... in fact I think I will go outside right now and kick it in the f***** door! I'll teach that bi*** a lesson fo sho!

FU**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



(Car tilt obv) Thanks for reading
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04-30-2010 , 01:10 AM
1/2 home game, winding down. 4 players left.

sb - $200 - this guy is a rock. very tight, fairly passive
bb - $300 - total aggro, will raise and bluff ATC, very good hand reader
co - $450 - loose passive, he's had a good night
bn - $250 - me, fairly TAG abc-type player. i've been card dead all night, haven't been caught but been bluffing all night

i pick up Jh8h, raise the straddle to $12. everybody calls

pot $48. flop JsJd8d. check around

pot $48 turn Qd. check to me, i bet $30, sb calls, bb folds, co folds

pot $128 river 7c. check to me, i bet $60, sb min raises to $120, i push, he snap calls.

JQ wtf...think i should have just flatted his river raise and saved 50 bucks?
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04-30-2010 , 01:22 AM
Yup!
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04-30-2010 , 02:17 AM
A rock raised on that board after smooth calling the turn?
Call. While crying.
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04-30-2010 , 07:51 AM
7 handed, 150bb's deep 1/2. CO limps, I 5x with 52. blinds fold, CO calls.

Flop: A78. CO checks, I bet 3/4th pot. He calls.

Turn: A78 7. CO checks, I bet 3/4th pot. He calls.

River: A78 7 4. CO checks, I bet half pot. He thinks for a while and then calls.

I proudly turn over my five high. He shows 64o and wins.

Now I have learned that people calling with gutshots on paired and flushed boards is standard at live micros.
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04-30-2010 , 12:09 PM
Oh yeah... calling stations are everywhere! Now that you've clocked him, do it again and make sure you have him beat. I had this exact hand against one last week with a paired and flush board and I was like, "wtfbbqhowcanyoucallthatwithacehigh??!!"
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04-30-2010 , 01:28 PM
This is where age sucks...

I am directly to the left of a "little old lady" 70+ if she is a day old. Don't let this fool you, she is a monster at the table. One of the best sslnl I have met, seriously.

We are both deep as hell between stacking donks and basically no cap on the table with a "buy the deep stack" rule in place. I won't mention who was buying in for more and who was stacking donks...

We have the almost unthinkable happen, it folds to the SB and she looks at me and motions for a chop, she knows I don't chop in a non raked game, so she remembers this with a little help from me and raises to 10BB...

I looked at my cards as soon as they where dealt and I had T9 and decided to call with position since she can lay down a hand post flop, remember she is a good player...

Flop comes down 78K GIN!

SB leads for 10BB which doesn't mean much, but tends towards a made hand, maybe a pair + FD... I RR to 40BB, she insta calls...

OK so she has a pretty decent hand, maybe a flopped flush too as improbable as this is, but more like AX

Turn 78K, J YES!!!! SUPER DUPER GIN!

SB leads for 50BB, humm, small'ish bet, she has the A, time to take the little old lady to value town. I shove, she snap calls.

Why wouldn't she snap call with the nut flush, especially knowing how I do not value money and could be making that move with lots and lots of hands...

She flips over her A9 the blood drains from my face as I table my T6

It sucks getting old...
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04-30-2010 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BigSkip
Is this a bad call by him?
You squeezed to 18 BBs. The fish flats. V2 has 4 in the pot already, so the total pot is 40 BB. Add that to your remaining stack of 122BB, and the total he could win if he stacks you (shortest stack in the hand) is 162 BB, and he only has to call 14BB more. He is getting better than 10-1 to make the call here.
If I misread and you raised 18BB on top of the 4BB, the math still works out in his favor to make the call (22B + 22B + 4BB + 118BB = 166BB vs. a 18BB call). Your stack alone isn't worth the call in that case (although it is close as 18BB x 8 = 144BB), but the fish creates your problem.
Um, Euro villain who flopped the set has 90BB in front of him at start of hand, how is he getting over 10:1 IO's? He cant stack me for 122BBs if he's only starting the hand with 90 BBs.
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04-30-2010 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
99?
its either 99 or 77, but yeah, 99.
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04-30-2010 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jwigginson
Typical fish play, now where do you play @?
2/5 at the borgata. et tu?
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04-30-2010 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by smokingrobot
Um, Euro villain who flopped the set has 90BB in front of him at start of hand, how is he getting over 10:1 IO's? He cant stack me for 122BBs if he's only starting the hand with 90 BBs.
I misread who was who I guess.
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04-30-2010 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Percula
This is where age sucks...

I am directly to the left of a "little old lady" 70+ if she is a day old. Don't let this fool you, she is a monster at the table. One of the best sslnl I have met, seriously.

We are both deep as hell between stacking donks and basically no cap on the table with a "buy the deep stack" rule in place. I won't mention who was buying in for more and who was stacking donks...

We have the almost unthinkable happen, it folds to the SB and she looks at me and motions for a chop, she knows I don't chop in a non raked game, so she remembers this with a little help from me and raises to 10BB...

I looked at my cards as soon as they where dealt and I had T9 and decided to call with position since she can lay down a hand post flop, remember she is a good player...

Flop comes down 78K GIN!

SB leads for 10BB which doesn't mean much, but tends towards a made hand, maybe a pair + FD... I RR to 40BB, she insta calls...

OK so she has a pretty decent hand, maybe a flopped flush too as improbable as this is, but more like AX

Turn 78K, J YES!!!! SUPER DUPER GIN!

SB leads for 50BB, humm, small'ish bet, she has the A, time to take the little old lady to value town. I shove, she snap calls.

Why wouldn't she snap call with the nut flush, especially knowing how I do not value money and could be making that move with lots and lots of hands...

She flips over her A9 the blood drains from my face as I table my T6

It sucks getting old...
I just threw up in my mouth reading that.

Many years ago when I first started playing, I was in a small home game tournament. $50 buy-in, two tables of 8. Seemed like big stakes to me at the time. Nobody there was much of a player, and although I was green and spewy, I probably had the most experience with poker in general, most of it being 7 stud.
I call a raise from the BB with A-3 suited, from a pretty straight forward player. Me being the veteran card player and all just commits my hand to memory so I don't have to look again. Don't want to give off tells don't ya know.
The flop comes A-3-4 rainbow. 2 pair. Ch-ching.
I check, he leads out. I smooth call.
Turn is an 8. I check. He bets pot, I check raise all in and he snap calls.
I proudly table my 2 pair, only to realize as I am flipping the cards that I hold A-2 suited, not A-3.
My opponent tables A-K.
The river is a 5, giving me the wheel, and my opponent melts down. (Something about idiot suckers who can't read their hole cards and then getting lucky.)
I really couldn't object.
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04-30-2010 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BigSkip
I misread who was who I guess.
my < 8:1 comment was not precise and simply a quick estimate made in my head as i typed it up, its about 9.1:1 i believe. its all good.

basically V2 was forced to flop a set and hope both me and fish villain bet big on the flop.

while it was a bad pf call on his part, i didnt have to make that squeeze out the BB, and i didnt _have_ to call his shove, which is where i think my biggest mistakes were. i could have easily kept the pot small by flatting, leading 65% on flop and folded to any raise as I'm not trying to go get my money in with top pair the way the hand played out preflop - however by taking the line i did, i'm playing it like i wake up with AA in the SB and flop top set on a 2 club board - so by squeezing preflop, it tells a different story, but that board is probably a bad board to rep top set the more i think about it. what better hands actually fold there? the only 1 is AK and thats a huge maybe in live play.

i dont know, i dont mind the squeeze and pot bloat OOP w/ AQ as much, its the c-bet that is probably the worst.
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04-30-2010 , 03:41 PM
I think the squeeze is fine. I would have gone with the bet/fold line, and hated life while folding.
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05-01-2010 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Percula
This is where age sucks...

I am directly to the left of a "little old lady" 70+ if she is a day old. Don't let this fool you, she is a monster at the table. One of the best sslnl I have met, seriously.

We are both deep as hell between stacking donks and basically no cap on the table with a "buy the deep stack" rule in place. I won't mention who was buying in for more and who was stacking donks...

We have the almost unthinkable happen, it folds to the SB and she looks at me and motions for a chop, she knows I don't chop in a non raked game, so she remembers this with a little help from me and raises to 10BB...

I looked at my cards as soon as they where dealt and I had T9 and decided to call with position since she can lay down a hand post flop, remember she is a good player...

Flop comes down 78K GIN!

SB leads for 10BB which doesn't mean much, but tends towards a made hand, maybe a pair + FD... I RR to 40BB, she insta calls...

OK so she has a pretty decent hand, maybe a flopped flush too as improbable as this is, but more like AX

Turn 78K, J YES!!!! SUPER DUPER GIN!

SB leads for 50BB, humm, small'ish bet, she has the A, time to take the little old lady to value town. I shove, she snap calls.

Why wouldn't she snap call with the nut flush, especially knowing how I do not value money and could be making that move with lots and lots of hands...

She flips over her A9 the blood drains from my face as I table my T6

It sucks getting old...

you both had the 9 of diamonds? rigged.
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05-02-2010 , 01:16 AM
BBV...

My ADD has had me playing on ancestry.com this week...

Brag: Daniel Boone is a distant relative.

Beat: Went to the grocery store tonight... Almost got into a fight with a bunch of punks harassing an older Indian couple. Man I hate the attitude around here lately.

Variance... My ADD with my ancestors has completely kept me out of the poker room.
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05-02-2010 , 11:13 PM
So I was going to post something about string betting in the tips thread I started, and remembered this gem that I thought some people might get a laugh out of...

Playing in a home game, nice stakes and lots and lots of "free" money on the table. This drunk guy shows up after partying at a club. He is a friend of the host, and has lots and lots of money to "play pokerzzzzz" with. Good times!

He manages to do his best impression of a poker "god" and builds a pretty decent stack. He is pissing off some of the players most notably the old nit sitting next me, players that are playing "good" poker and getting their "good starting hands" crushed by his little junk "bad starting hands". You know the classic donkey runs well and "good" players go on tilt and play badly because of it, kind of thing...

Anyway, we get into a HU pot where I flop gin, the royal, the moral nuts. He makes a decent sized donk bet at me, and I hesitate and make a big over sized raise...

The villain says (no kidding here)... "I will see your $X and raise you $Y more".

Well we all know this is a string bet. Something only a drunk newb00b would ever do. I am thrilled. But...

The old nit sitting next to me decides he has to "defend" his new "friend", me (gawd I swear I would have throttled the guy if he told me one more bad beat story)... "String bet, you can't do that, you said call, thats a call, that is all there is to it, you can not raise!" The host has his head out the window and when asked agree's "Yep you can not do that, that is a string raise"... Villain mumbles and grumbles and accepts the ruling.

The turn comes down with the forth of the suit and the villain check folds his flopped two pair to a 1/2 pot bet.

I look at the old net and quietly say... "You owe me $Y, next time shut the F up if you are not in the hand", shock and betrayal flash across his face before he mumbles "sorry".
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05-03-2010 , 12:17 AM
Combined sick beat and brag ftw imo.
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05-03-2010 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Percula
So I was going to post something about string betting in the tips thread I started, and remembered this gem that I thought some people might get a laugh out of...

Playing in a home game, nice stakes and lots and lots of "free" money on the table. This drunk guy shows up after partying at a club. He is a friend of the host, and has lots and lots of money to "play pokerzzzzz" with. Good times!

He manages to do his best impression of a poker "god" and builds a pretty decent stack. He is pissing off some of the players most notably the old nit sitting next me, players that are playing "good" poker and getting their "good starting hands" crushed by his little junk "bad starting hands". You know the classic donkey runs well and "good" players go on tilt and play badly because of it, kind of thing...

Anyway, we get into a HU pot where I flop gin, the royal, the moral nuts. He makes a decent sized donk bet at me, and I hesitate and make a big over sized raise...

The villain says (no kidding here)... "I will see your $X and raise you $Y more".

Well we all know this is a string bet. Something only a drunk newb00b would ever do. I am thrilled. But...

The old nit sitting next to me decides he has to "defend" his new "friend", me (gawd I swear I would have throttled the guy if he told me one more bad beat story)... "String bet, you can't do that, you said call, thats a call, that is all there is to it, you can not raise!" The host has his head out the window and when asked agree's "Yep you can not do that, that is a string raise"... Villain mumbles and grumbles and accepts the ruling.

The turn comes down with the forth of the suit and the villain check folds his flopped two pair to a 1/2 pot bet.

I look at the old net and quietly say... "You owe me $Y, next time shut the F up if you are not in the hand", shock and betrayal flash across his face before he mumbles "sorry".
This is why I like to "go with intent" whenever possible. This may not be possible at some casinos with strict dealers or floors, but in this case his intent was clearly to raise, and there was no further action, and the pot was heads up. It sucks because you can't say anything without giving away the strength of your hand, but something like this might work:

"Wait, wait! I haven't acted... just let him clarify if he wants to call or raise before we go on and its fine."
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05-03-2010 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
This is why I like to "go with intent" whenever possible. This may not be possible at some casinos with strict dealers or floors, but in this case his intent was clearly to raise, and there was no further action, and the pot was heads up. It sucks because you can't say anything without giving away the strength of your hand, but something like this might work:

"Wait, wait! I haven't acted... just let him clarify if he wants to call or raise before we go on and its fine."
I agree. Part of the problem is that you pretty much have to tell the opponent that you are fine with them raising or it can be heard as "I want you to raise" which all but the oblivious can figure out is "not good" for them.

I had a situation at the Wynn once (traditional room where there are no string bets in NL/PL cash games), almost exactly like this one, and the interfering player was politely told to STFU by the dealer. That dealer earned a greenbird from me and a bluebird from the villain. LMAO.
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05-03-2010 , 10:42 PM
@HG 100max right now. Apparently I have a horseshoe stuck up my butt.
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05-04-2010 , 01:40 AM
I love the live-update nature this thread has taken on.

That is all.
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05-04-2010 , 01:44 AM
Bought twice in the 100max but cashed 622. Debating whether I should do a session report.... what do you think? I'm wondering how my table image might have contributed. BTW I'm again 3 whiskeys in while I'm posting this.
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05-04-2010 , 01:53 AM
Session report would be v.hard to do well imo. Try it if you want tho.

Last edited by KurtSF; 05-04-2010 at 01:53 AM. Reason: I only won $40 tonight, but I drank more whiskey than u
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