Hi all, .5/1 home game 9-handed deep-stacked.

HJ opens to $3, H ($600) on button calls with J10. V (~$500, decent LAG) in BB calls. Pot ($9.50)

Flop: QJ5.

V checks. HJ checks. Hero bets $4. V raises to $15. Hero calls. HJ folds. Pot (39.50)

Figured when it checks to me, HJ is weak, I have a decent holding. Could check for pot control but don't mind just taking it down here. No FD/SD are folding and no Q's are folding. But I don't mind the bet to charge FD or SD although I do have the 10d which is the best blocker for both draws. I have V on SD, FD, top 2, set of 5, maybe Ad5o.

Turn: 9

V checks. Hero bets $15. V raises to $50. Hero calls. Pot ($139.5)

Really action turn as it gives H the OESFD. After V checks, I bet thinking there's fold equity with 2p or maybe a stronger J that semi-bluffed the flop. I don't mind a call as I have the OESFD and am drawing to the third nut flush if behind. But when V x/r again it seems like his range is capped to straights and flush.

River: K

V bets $100. Hero?

This bet leads H to believe that it's either air, nut flush, K10 or 109 putting out a blocker bet although sizing is big enough to discount the blocker bets significantly. Doesn't seem like V would be barreling even with a low flush after H calls turn. Can hero fold when a K peels on the river after calling turn? Should hero fold, call, or even raise with the nut blocker? H has played with V a lot and believes V would 3b a decent amount of suited AdXd.

Fold pre
Check back flop
Check back turn
River is interesting cause you shouldn’t have been cr twice.
You also don’t know what capped means.

I'd likely follow Omaha's line, including pre. If betting flop, size up a bit multi-way.

Turn: X back >>> 40% PSB. 2-pair+ is almost never folding to that sizing.

I'd call river.

If 4-to-a straight or a 4-flush hits, your chances of getting a nice payout are reduced.

Takeaway is don't over value these type of hands. GL!

Grunch from title alone: Should never be facing a second c/r, because should have 3! shoved flop. OK, off to read post.

Post grunch: OK, it wasn't a SFD OTF. Check flop.

AP, check back turn.

AP, call river. No value in raising, but it's not all flushes.

I’m actually okay with flop. Turn is horrific though. We have showdown value and don’t need to be trying to get him off a better hand.


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Haha his hand a bit misrepresented.

OTTH - So I feel like your thought process keeps contradicting itself. You're in this pattern of "i'd like for him to fold but dont mind if he calls" which is fine if you're actually semi-bluffing but it sure doesnt feel like it with your sizing. It's like you're too scared to pull the trigger.


The reality is you're probably folding to his flop x/r. 2nd pair and a backdoor non-disguised non-nutted draw just isnt a good spot. He can have all the big hands and ours is pretty face up as some middling draw. FWIW a double x/r is usually VERY strong. He probably puts you on a lesser flush draw hence the reason he pulled it. Everything you've done to this point has sold the story you have a hand, and he doesnt seem to care one bit. The way you played it I call off the river.

There is nothing wrong with the call pre. Especially if you don't want to get banned from the home game. Don't let these geniuses lead you away from the forest because of a tree.

Check back flop. You are not bluffing, nor are you getting value from much.

After villains CR on the flop, check the 9d on the turn and realize your equity. Again your not getting value or bluffing and have a ton of equity. Why value own yourself and your not getting a fold from better with the exception of very few hands.

River is a call.

Call river.

I make a reluctant call on the river...

Flop/Turn are clear checks, especially the turn once you spewed on the flop. If a LAG raises preflop and checks the flop, be very extra careful...they c-bet most everything except their monsters.

Also, if you're getting c/r twice with a marginal hand, you need to reevaluate your game!

x/b flop & turn and sigh call river for sure.

You’ll lose here a lot but it doesn’t mean much.

Thanks all, seems like the turn is the main mistake. I thinking folding to a raise from V on flop is too tight. I ended up making the call on the river and V showed A6dd. Really thought he would 3b most of those hands but I could've prevented this bloated pot with a check on turn.

I play in a similar stakes (1/2, 100 buyin...very loose) home game (no rake)...I why do you think that villian would three bet most suited aces OOP...my experience is that home players call 95% of the time...only time I really see a three bet is if the villian is on tilt, or one of the maniacs.

I'd check flop because V is LAG so he'll x/r often and I'll hate it, hand is marginal show down value, when behind we have decent equity we could pick up on the turn.

I didn’t address pre because let’s face it, if you wanna get invited to good home games, you won’t be doing much folding of double broadway hands on the button. If home game players wanted to play a bunch of 12/9 nits, they’d show up at the casino on Wednesday morning.


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Eh, my home game is slightly different. There's a 3b pretty much every hand or every other hand by a player and V is one of the main 3b. Most of us are winners at the local 1/2 card rooms so I'd say some people are at least decent although it may not be reflected given how I played here haha.