2-3-5 ($2 live on the button).

Hero in BB with $850 stack has KK. EP and MP call $5, BTN raises to $25, SB folds. BTN is kind of nitty multiway but can be surprisingly aggressive head-up. BTN covers hero. Hero elects to just flat-call BTN's raise. So does EP, and MP folds. $77 in pot after the drop.

Flop: J 4 2

Hero checks, EP checks, BTN bets $50. Hero raises to $150. MP folds. BTN pauses for a couple of seconds before calling. $377 in pot, $675 remaining in hero's stack.

Turn: J42 Q

Hero bets $250. BTN pauses for ten seconds, then raises to $750 -- $500 to call, but hero has only $425.

Without the K, hero doesn't block backdoor club draws, but KK does block straight draws. Even with the flop raise, hero's hand is underrepped; range should look capped but actually isn't.

$877 in main pot, $425 to call. MDR is 67%.

Is KK high enough in our range to call?

Thinking about the rest of the hand, but so far I really don't like the PF flat call.

I think you have to call getting 3-1 and having slowplayed but you're probably toast.

Don't like flop c/r either.

Not 3betting pre is criminal imo. We are deep, we are out of position and two other players have already shown interest.

I'd literally never call in this particular spot, but if I did, I'd flat this bonedry flop and my initial plan would be to call him off.

I think this was a decision you'd have to make pre. Either flat and go all the way with the hand on most boards or 3bet. If you just flat you are underrepped. With the check raise on the flop looking strong and hes jamming into you I dont think he has a 1 pair hand unless maybe AJcc. With him being on the button and him raising. Any set, 2 pair, or straight is possible and flush draws.

If you're not continuing on this board then what boards are you continuing on?

On the turn, how many hands can you even name that would bet/call the flop, raise the turn and are worse than your KK? I guess JcXc (would he even raise with that?) or possibly a wheel club draw, but he could have QJ, all the sets and possibly AA(/KK) for value as well. I would have checked (had I ever found myself in this spot, but like I said, I would play both pre and flop differently, so I'm not entirely sure what I would do).

Pre is a snap 3b.

Flop is a snap call, x/r takes away all his bluffs and allows him to continue with TP+. AP ott i would check, he has all sets in his range, a bunch of QJ, AA. AP probably just fold, might not seem like it but KK is near the stone cold bottom of your "value" raising range otf and then turn barrel.

This is a 3-5 game so we’re 170BBs deep. I like a flat preflop if we’re playing 1-2 but just calling is pretty far from optimal which I think you know. You are over repping your hand here. Just call the cbet because if you get 3bet on the flop you’re never good.

Turn is not a good card for you. Now QJ and QQ beat you, check turn. As played fold

I don't see the value in the preflop flat. Playing KK OOP, deep, and it what will almost certainly be a multiway pot, is not an ideal situation for our overpair. I think making it $80 would be a good sizing. If we really want to occasionally get cute with our big pairs pre then I would recommend doing it on the BTN when possible squeezers are in the blinds.

As played, on the flop I don't really see a need to have a raising range. After slowplaying preflop, why not just continue the plan/story we started with another flat. Then we are at least maintaining the deceptive value of our tricky play and staying under-repped.

As played, on the turn it is tough to say since I would be so unlikely to end up in this situation with this hand. I suppose a check would make sense. We are not too worried about draws coming in because there was not front door straight or flush draws on the flop and most backdoor draws will have folded to our $100 flop raise. He probably has mostly Jx in his range and it is not like we will be getting two more streets of value from that so we can just control the size of the pot a little bit with a check and evaluate from there.

After we bet and get shoved on I think we can fold. Don't really have to worry much about MDF in a spot where a live 3/5 player is very unlikely to have a balanced bluffing range. Again, not many draws left after we raised that dry flop. Also, Villain probably wouldn't think he had much fold equity when considering our line and the relatively small amount of money we have behind after betting the turn.

BTW, I disagree with the idea that we are still under-repped OTT. After we flat pre, raise this flop, and continue betting the turn it really is starting to look like we could have a set of 2s or 4s.

3! Pre to $90-100, don't get fancy.

Disagree completely with hand being underrepped. You raised flop and led turn, which is probably the strongest line in low stakes you'll see. I would put you on a bottom/middle set here from V's perspective and yet he's still shoveling money into the pot.

I think you're good here maybe ~10% of the time at best.

There's literally only 2 situations to flat KK pre after a raise. One, the raiser is 90%+ to have only AA in his raising range. Two, there is a short stack itching to shove to your right so you can jam on the original raiser.

As played, you have shown a lot of strength and he's playing back at you. I can't imagine a hand you are ahead of outside total bluffs. Fold.

As everyone said, raise pre. You are OOP and if V is playing heads-up aggressively, it's best to go HU with him with this hand.

As played, what's the purpose of flop raise? Check/call flop and evaluate turn. As played, turn is a gross spot. We are behind nearly everything that the V is representing, except may be some pair + flush draws.

Results?

Results: Hero tanked for a long time, saying "It's close, it's really close!" (The villain replied, "If it really is close, it doesn't matter what you do!") One of the other players called for a clock, and the floorperson showed up and got a timer going. No more than fifteen seconds of the minute had ticked away when hero called.

4s on the river made the board J42Q 4. Villain showed JJ, scooped the pot, and went home to write this up as a 2p2 thread, wondering how the hero could possibly have thought the turn call was close.

Really don’t like preflop and I’ve never seen a bluff on the turn here facing your line. One pair hands call down

i would have 3b flop, bet flop and turn, then might fold to a turn allin.

ap, his line screams set all over it but i dont think i can fold after betting turn.

Lmfao! Are you abusing the regs? Was it the Persian guy with the lucky necklaces wrapped all over his wrists?

If this is like the 200max crowd i remember, that's just mean.

Not him. It was a guy I had thought of, up until this hand, as a good player. Regular, I think he may be a pro. He plays close to nightly, and I think he is beating the game.

Is the game running enough for 2/3/5 pros?

****. In my 100max grinder days, we all struggled to stay above minimum wage. 200max was shorthanded and shortstacked on maybe 2 tables and everyone said you and a couple of the 30/60 guys were the only rightful pros besides that old Asian pokerstarz guy. Didn't know you. Never even saw you slumming on our tables. But this was years ago. I moved not too long after that whole racketeering raid on half the bay clubs.

Goddamn i miss the hofbrau. It's nice to see you still at it.

Pre is not a standard 3bet. I'm folding on turn as played. C/calling the turn isnt criminal either.

Hate the pre-flop call. It might be fine if it was just button open raise, so you'd be heads up, but you're almost certainly going 3-4 ways.

By the turn you beat nothing against a nit. JJ,QQ, AA are all ahead of you.

Wonder if this thread was bumped from October to bust the mods’ chops that this reverse HH flew under their radar.

You're missing an important one, IMO.

One of the first things that I try to figure out is how many different hands will my opponent think that I can have when I 3-bet to 100 here. If he believes that I can do this with a ton of hands then obviously I'm 3-betting.

The reason we need to 3 bet pre is because there are limpets behind. Just call in a heads up pot with aces here sometimes but never with KK and never with limpers behind.

Flop raise also sucks. Your hand is not underrepresented at all after this point.

AP folding turn is pretty clear. your opponent would need to be floating your flop raise to have any bluffs here, his hand seems extremely strong. Im not sure if I like check/calling turn better. The best plan in the future is to not put yourself in this position in the first place by playing previous streets differently.