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04-05-2013 , 09:43 AM
long time lurker, 1st time poster. I need to plug some holes in my game, so please beat me mercilessly until I get it right

1/3 Game

Hero(CO) - $450 TAG who has been taking down alot of pots
V1(UTG) - $200 - Decent player who has been handed a few beats this session
V2(UTG 1) - $600 - Plays lots of pots. Very aggressive pre and on the flop, calling station afterwards.


Pre flop - V1, V2, MP1, MP2 all limp. Hero has AKo and limps(I raise 85% of the time here, this time just fell into the other 15%), Button folds aand the blinds play. POT is $21

Flop - Q 9 T

V1 bets 15, V2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls - Pot is $81

Turn - J

V1 bets 50, V2 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls

My plan here was since they are betting into to me is to wait until the river and push if the board doesn't pair. V1 may be able to get away from her hand now if I raise, but if she bets out on the river I'll get her stack. V2 will probably call my raise now.

Pot $230

T

V1 Bets 50, V2 Calls

Hero???
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04-05-2013 , 10:09 AM
Raise pre 100% of the time

As played fold flop

As played raise turn

River- raise for value, v2 would raise with boat, v1 would bet larger with boat, plus he doesn't have much left. I'd make it 150.
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04-05-2013 , 10:43 AM
Calling the turn is terrible. Goodness like they can fold a K here that easily to your raise? And you're going to hate life if the river pairs or the ace comes.

River is not a raise, IMO.
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04-05-2013 , 11:05 AM
You described yourself as TAG. The way you butchered this hand suggests that you are anything BUT a TAG. TAGs will raise AK in this spot 100% of the time, then c-bet that flop and look to gii on that turn.

As played just call river.
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04-05-2013 , 11:05 AM
Preflop raise should be more like 95% raise, if not 100% with multiple limpers in front. Flop is meh. With a bet and multiple calls on that board, you probably need to catch a J to win, but it isn't a big bet and your implied odds should be big.

Turn is a huge raise, 100% of the time. You have the nuts and there are lots of river cards you don't want to see. Anything 9 or better might either beat you or kill your action. Your trying to stack somebody with KX here, and with multiple callers, you should be able to get somebody. Given stacks and pots size, I would just shove turn a lot. At the very least, make it $150 to go.

River is harder to judge. You can either call or raise. It is unlikely your beat but not impossible. V1 might be making a suck bet and V2 might just flat T9 for safety or be trying to get you to call behind. More importantly, with the board paired it is going to be hard to get called by worse. Even a smaller straight might fold after the bet/call/raise on river.
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04-05-2013 , 11:12 AM
raise pre and turn

youre basically letting ppl's hands catch up for free

Last edited by dicecube; 04-05-2013 at 11:26 AM.
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04-05-2013 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintTino
You described yourself as TAG. The way you butchered this hand suggests that you are anything BUT a TAG. TAGs will raise AK in this spot 100% of the time, then c-bet that flop and look to gii on that turn.

As played just call river.

^^ LOL......

as for me, i think you played every street incorrectly, raise pre here 100% of the time...trying to get jiggy with $1/$3 donks just isn't the best play and you're letting them in cheap with PPs and SCs, hands that can cost you your whole stack if you flop TPTK.

fold flop as played, raise turn (as it would be tough for them to put you on AK, so here is a perfect example to make the most of your limp pre)
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04-05-2013 , 12:34 PM
i realized i butchered the hand, thats the reason I posted it. The limp was stupid, but also at this table p/f raise were getting no respect. Multiple times it was raised to 15 or 20 and the limpers just called.

Flop call was just about implied odds.

Turn was stupid


Results:

After punching myself in the balls for not shoving the turn. I called

V1 had the lower straight, V2 mucked
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04-05-2013 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyAccountant
i realized i butchered the hand, thats the reason I posted it. The limp was stupid, but also at this table p/f raise were getting no respect. Multiple times it was raised to 15 or 20 and the limpers just called.

Flop call was just about implied odds.

Turn was stupid


Results:

After punching myself in the balls for not shoving the turn. I called

V1 had the lower straight, V2 mucked

Even if raises aren't getting respect it should still be profitable to raise AK in LP. What happens if you limp and flop as K52r? You are probably only going to win a small pot.

As played you need to raise big on the turn because no other K is ever folding and you probably already got close to max value from an 8. As played call river.
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04-05-2013 , 01:41 PM
grunch: bet/call

definitely not folding here. i have mubs a lot, but not here. limped pot so aside from pocket 9's, a full house is unlikely. 2 pair, Qx, and other straights would all make sense here. i would put you pretty far ahead of all their ranges and i think you get called by a lot, especially by lower straights and 2 pair. i'd bet for value... maybe 150 to put v1 all in and squeeze a little more out of v2 if he doesn't want to fold, and then call off a raise from v2 if it comes. at the very least i'd call.
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