Hero (UTG +1(9handed table), ~$250): 23 y/o Nit/TAG table image. Everyone basically thinks I'm nut peddling.

V1: (MP1, ~$150)MAWG who works as a dealer at this establishment. Just sat down a few hands ago.

V2: (MP2, ~$300) mid 30s White chick. Has no idea wtf she is doing. Limps any 2 preflop. Saw here pay off her full stack ~$300 with AQo on a board of AJQT7 when her opponent made a MASSIVE raise on the turn and made it blatantly obvious that he had a K. Everyone was pretty shocked to see her donk off like this.

OTTH

Hero limps with Ad7d. V1 limps. V2 limps. 2 more players limp, SB completes and BB checks. Normally not limping this but it was very likely to be limped around at this table and I was comfortable limp calling a raise.

Flop ($14) Qd8dTc

Hero leads for 11$
V1 calls
V2 calls
the rest fold

Turn($47) 9d

Hero bets 23$
V1 calls
V2 Raises to 75$
Hero calls
V1 calls

(I thought flatting was the best option because if I raise I risk scaring off small flushes and straights)

River ($272) 9c
Hero???????

I have ~$150 left behind, and V2 has me covered, V1 has ~$40

Should I be check calling now that the board has paired? When V2 raises the diamond turn she's repping only straights and flushes and V1 only had about 40$ left
Should I be jamming for value? it would be a shame to not get it all in against a flush or straight from V2 especially since shes a Payoff wizard.

Never be scared to raise the nuts , they don't know your range even when you think they know your range .

- Johnathan Little


Probably not for verbatim. Also taking all the small pots is better than winning big pots in the long run. I rather win small forever than win big once in a blue moon . Also in his book! Bump it up to $25 to try to trap a steal/trap pot is a method, but naturally ABC says $40...

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But if I raise the turn I will be making V1 fold everything but flushes and flatting encourages him to call and see a river and he will be pot committed once river comes no matter what his hand is. I feel like I might make more $ flatting but could you give me a reason why raising will be a more optimal play?

$25 undervalue bet to induce a steal/trap? It would probably confuse them too as they think your night, in fact make it $29 , and say DISCOUNT, and when you win , and they complain , say check your priviledge, lol

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I dont understand are you saying I should bet 25$ on the river?

It's a horrible option but it is an option. I would do if I felt someone had a boat. I wasn't there I didn't feel what you felt, quite frankly the river came out and as stated. In Johnathan Little books, bet the nuts for value, you has the second nuts , how much you think you can extract would be based on V1+V2 + your vibes. Full house on the board so I think $40-$75 would be good bet on river, but being the degen I am I would shooooooveees and if she thinks her straight is the nuts she's going to pay you off as she is a newbie dolphin . V1 would probably fold but might call out of curiosity and do a 2nd buy in,who knows maybe he caught his boat too. A win is a win take it, and learn what you think can be done better. More options from members then discuss

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I dont understand why you keep saying a win is a win. I havent posted results. And "a win is a win" isnt good poker advice. Im posting here because I want to hear people's opinions on what's optimal. Not "what works"

That's my option and opinion . The LAG me would shove river and have my poker face on, if I win good, if I lose I proclaim it as a cooler.

The TAG me would check or toss $25 and see if I get re-raised for X. If it is below the pot I would call.

Folding is clearly not an option.

I am pretty sure that my vibe on this situation is that V2 had a straight holding JK and V1 had the boat 910 .


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You're pot committed. Obviously the board pairing is unfortunate but based on stack sizes and the way you played the turn, the money is all going in regardless. Obviously hard to assign ranges in a limped pot but if someone had a set/two pair and boated up it's a cooler. The bottom line is based on your read of villain 2, you are getting value from worse hands like flushes, and straights. So I say just shove.


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What do you guys think of me flatting turn? Would you have shipped it on the turn? Min raise? and why?

Should have reraised and tried to get it in right then and there.

1) Ur multiway, chances of someone having something to come along for the ride with is higher. One of these somethings is a potential set that you want to charge maximum price for.

2) Even if you don't know the first villain, you DO know the 2nd villain and if she's not good enough to fold 2 pair on a 4 straight board, she's not good enough to fold the straights and small flushes you're trying to avoid scaring away with. She'll call u with worse for sure (especially if she's playing back). You should always be aiming for the fish and definitely lost a LOT of value here unless she had the miracle TJdd

Even if you have an "image of nut peddling" (which really just means ppl are peggin u as tight) that's EXACTLY what you should be doing in a scenario like this anyway. People are usually not gonna make some miracle laydown when they have a hand unless they have a really good reason to, and thinking you just nut peddle isn't enough of a reason.


I woulda made it ~200 to go on the turn. As played I'd probably just check-call a bet (even an all in probably) on the river since it's multiway. I wouldn't play it aggressively unless I was heads up with her

V is not a tag, open limping A7s UTG+1.

It's pretty dang fishy. Table is likely to go limp around, but you're comfortable limp/calling a raise? What is this logic?


I don't understand the flop lead. This is a very wet board with multiple limpers. What is the idea, bloat the pot?

On the turn I shove. You have a jack in your range a lot and not many flush draws. They have shown they are already happy with their hands. Shovel it in.

I just open shove river as played.

FWIW the way you played this entire hand and your logic for doing it shows you should never ever be limping A7s from EP.

Hero is not a tag, open limping A7s UTG+1.

It's pretty dang fishy. Table is likely to go limp around, but you're comfortable limp/calling a raise? What is this logic?






Fixed.

So I should be open folding Axs from UTG+1? Also, I didnt say I was TAG just said I had a NIT/TAG image at the table.

My logic is this: A7s plays well multi way and the table is likely to limp around. If there's a raise the table has been so loose that if one person calls every limper will call, so if there is a raise between 10-15$ I can call and feel comfortable playing the pot multiway with a hand that plays well multiway? How bad is this logic and why? lol

How does A7s play good multiway?

And yeah, you should be folding some Axs from EP. This is not 6 max poker. This is super weak live $1/$2 FR.

Also you botched the hand, you limped it and now its what, 7 ways and you lead because you have the NFD.

Just more reason you should probably just open fold these hands.

The reason I thought A7s plays well multiway is because you can flop the nut flush draw and with more opponents its more likely for someone else to have a dominated flush. And other than that I suppose its an easy fold if you dont flop the nut flush draw.

1 last thing dochrohan. Do you think it's more optimal to check call flops and possibly check raise loose opponents?

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With this hand, yeah I'd prefer to do just that.

This is a 7 way pot, you're quite often going to have to even fold on the flop despite flopping the NFD. If this goes check by you bet and raise by somebody else, you're likely going to need to fold.

That's the big issue with playing this hand from OOP the entire time.

If you bet, it gets raised and a guy cold calls. You complete the call, now the turn is an Ace of Clubs. What are you going to do? Say you check and the raiser fires again or goes all-in, how are you going to play your hand if the other guy folds?

Remember this was a 7 way pot.

I agree that in most situations I would flat the raise on the turn also, but against the woman that paid off a four card straight to the board, she is NEVER EVER folding her flush here. So just take her money.

As played, she is still never folding. Shove all 150.