1/3 NLHE, 8 handed. The guy to my right is raising almost every hand, the guy two to my left has been caught bluffing a lot, lots of raising, calling, betting.

Hero: $350, MAWW. Have played very few hands although the table is very active. I have been basically card dead.

V: $600, MAWG. Pretty active player. Raising/calling a lot pre. He seems to bet his hands when they are really good, but can be passive and a bit of a station. Was tilted because he was bluffed off a side pot and the main pot was won with a pair of 10s.

OTTH:

UTG straddles to $6. V UTG+1 raises to $20 (standard), H in MP calls with Ah7h (one of the best hands I've had), SB calls, BB calls, straddle calls. SB, BB and straddle cover and are basically fit/fold players. I thought about 3betting since I've been so quiet, but I wanted to be closer to the button. There is an active, bluffy player behind me, too. He folds, though.

Flop (~$95): Kh8h4s, checks to Hero?

Why did you flat preflop?


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The game has been great and if I hit I will get paid. Very little 3betting from the guys behind me, but lots of flatting. V has been raising a lot. I am ok seeing a flop. 3bet from me might have been better.

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Ding ding ding

If this guy is wild and crazy, you don’t exploit this by calling off 6% of your stack preflop and playing bingo with a big field postflop


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I just fold pre, but I would rather 3 bet than call - I can't really see myself 3 betting either, though.

I check back this flop. I can't imagine we have virtually any fold equity. I'll happily take a free turn.

Too many people in the hand to think you have enough FE to bet unless your willing to commit with a big flop bet and shoving turn. If you really want to use your nitty image then $100 and shove turn if anybody calls. You will have to read your crowd to know if you have enough FE but usually it won't work enough.

Preflop your calling off too much of your hand to flat. You need effective stacks around $1K before flatting is a good option.

Not a great seat? I'd rather get across the table from the guy doing all the raising. This way when we get squeezable hands against his light opens there will often be huge dead money in the pot. And otherwise we can evaluate whether we're in a good spot to just overcall. Being directly to this guys left makes both of those more difficult. And on top of that we have the bluffy guy to our left, which ain't great either (I'd rather be in position on him).

Preflop is a pretty good illustration of why I'm not a huge fan of our seat. Being first to call with the world to react behind us is meh, but so is 3betting lightish this early (not necessarily light against the guy who's raising a lot, but light against the world of players who still haven't reacted). We're just not going to find a lotta playable spots in this seat, imo.

If the bluffy guy hadda been in the hand behind us I probably woulda checked the flop hoping to get in a check/shove with my FE + good hand equity. Closing the action I probably just bet smallish of like $35; if it takes it down, fine, otherwise I probably mostly setup a free card turn play.

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Don't have a huge problem preflop. Mostly folding though.

As played, x back to hit it for free. Turn?

3-bet pre. Whenever there is a guy like this you want to be isolating him as much as possible. A7s is a value 3-bet against his range if he's really raising almost every hand, and getting heads up with position is really valuable, or just getting him to fold.

I'd bet the flop on the small side, like $25-$35. It's basically a value bet with a draw like this, and you can sometimes just take it down. Depending on the turn you can consider taking a free card or barreling and you should be totally fine with getting it in on the flop if you get x/r. I'd rather check back some non-nut flush draws.

Betting this 5way seems optimistic, xr is a disaster - check.

Also note that betting less than $40 on the flop should be a dead giveaway that you are not betting a strong hand.

Agree with Moni, our betting range 5 ways is super strong and we should be betting 2/3 or so if we bet. I like checking but don’t object to bombs away given our image (assuming the flop caller(s) are aware of such things)

Agree with others who either fold or 3B pre vs this opponent, as well as positional consideration.

Flop - if the checkers to the PFR would usually bet their strong hands, I'd bet $35/$40. If not, take the free turn.

NOTE: It was Qh, not Kh.

Interesting about pre. I wish I had 3bet, but I was fine with the flat.

I bet $50. I didn't think anyone was strong and I have a tight image. Everyone folds except UTG+1 who just flats.

Turn ($185): Qh8h4s 5c

UTG+1 checks. Hero?

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Your flop bet got called by a passive station who made the original preflop raise. He probably has a made hand and it's unlikely you can bet him off it. Take your free card and hope you hit the river.

You don't beat a station by bluffing, you beat them by making better hands and having them call.

Conflicting points. 10-15 outs vs a capped range that’s probably a lot of 8x, 99-JJ, maybe even AK. All of which should fold to a jam..except he’s a tilted station. We have to check.

I don't like the flop bet as mentioned prior. I'm looking to take a free card again versus this villain.

I fold preflop as a rule, I think a 3bet is good vs. this guy as mentioned above, like if he's raising 80% or something we crush him. If we play this way I probably just overbet jam this flop to see the whole board and live with the result.

If I don't 3bet, I fold. Never calling this hand in this position at these depths, I might at $600+ on a passive table though. Again though vs. somebody who is opening every hand, in EP or MP we should probably 3bet nearly 100% of our playable hands.

AP I take the free card OTF because the whole world is now in the pot and I don't see a cbet getting through. We're getting the right price to draw so lets draw.

AP I think we kind of butchered this hand. I'm not trying to bet a tilted player off a hand he likes at these depths so I plan to xb and either bink the river or x/f to anything other than a tiny bet.

If we want to keep on firing, $185 in the pot and $280 behind so I guess size like however you would for 44/88/67s? I would make it something like $90 / $190 with these hands but w/e.

AP, vs. a PFR who can be stationy, let's see the river. If he had a fold button, I'd continue betting.

I think call is significantly better than 3bet preflop, you guys are being a little silly.

Especially at live low stakes, you want to play hands in position vs the raiser with hands that play well in multi-way pots, like nut draws. This isn't a spot where you want to narrow his EP raising range, and you don't want to lower SPR with a suited ace-rag. Assuming we play well postflop (i.e. not paying off 3 streets with one pair), this is a fine spot to speculate, keep ranges wide, and play for implied odds.

I like the half pot flop bet once the raiser checks. If it doesn't win the pot now, then taking the initiative can get you a free card in position, which is what happened.

As played, check back turn, with the intention of stacking off if we hit a flush or a straight. If we miss, consider bluffing, depending on what the actual river is, live reads, and villain's actions.

calling pre against this line up is better than 3

like flop bet

I would check turn
if V is able to understand / use the info that you are playing tight
and called flop , doubt V will fold to turn bet

Check and take the free card. You say V can be a calling station.....assume V has a Q and you likely won't be able to bet him off of it.

In 5way pots, especially ones where the preflop raiser is raising every hand and unlikely to just blindly cbet, especially in big pots worth winning / taking down now, I think overall a lot of people just play pretty straightforward here. So I think we hear from monsters (let alone TP) straight out often on drawy boards, so I'm not too concerned about someone slowplaying and check/raising here. I also don't think there is much difference in calling frequencies between like 1/3 vs 2/3 PSBs, and I'm not fearing too much about someone playing back in this multiway a pot. Plus we'll likely have better odds facing a poor check/raise size if we bet small rather than large. Anyhoo, those are my reasons for betting and betting small.

On the turn I lean to just checking back and taking my free card. Obviously this flop/turn play will be profitable, although the question is whether another play (such as double barrelling the turn) will be more profitable. Villain is described as a station, turn doesn't make board / our bet more scary, and turn also completes about the only other flop draw that someone could be weakly check/calling (the gutshot that may have hit a pair), so I'm not convinced this is the best barrel spot.

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Sorry, guys. Life got in the way.

The turn is where I think I made a mistake. I should have taken my free card, but I just didn't think he was strong and for some reason thought he'd fold.

I bet $85 and he called. Turn was As and he snap shoved so fast I thought he might have a heart attack. I folded. Who knows what he had? Probably AK.

The turn was a check. Stupid. Sadly not the worst hand I played on my Vegas trip. I can't even post that one