Hero is an asian kid. Pretty Tag session. I'm wearing a visor and talked to another player about a tourney I had just cashed in for a few grand.

V1 SB is a young bro, wearing a Notre Dame class of 201X Quarter zip. Doesn't get out of line from what I have seen.

V2 BB is wearing a Comcast Polo and clearly works at the store not the head office.

100 BB effective.

Hero has AQ of diamonds and raises in the CO to $10.

V1 Calls. V2 Calls.

Flop $30

1044

Checks to hero who bets $27, V1 raises to $54
V2 Folds

I'm ranging V1 on AA, KK , A10, J10, Q10, K10 KJdd 89DD 78DD

I'm super tempted to ship here. Convince me why shipping is good/bad.

State the blinds. Is this $1/2 or $1/3? Makes a huge difference. Assuming $1/2, if you think he has a lot of Tx and/or worse FDs, I like a shove. As a default I think flatting is better. Min raises are player dependent but it's often either nitty hands or a top pair type hand, rarely draws.
If turn blanks and villain bombs, he likely has 4x or QQ, JJ. If he shows weakness on a blank, you can perhaps steal pot on turn. That's also why I like flat on flop. Villains flat pre, I would discount QQ+ a ton

Yep, same read. Anytime people min-CR me, I only put them on hands that I can beat.

Wow
Care to explain
Cause it sounds ******ed

Not sure if serious or sarcastic???

Btw. why would you expect V1 to flat from SB w AA/KK seems like a pretty awful play and w/o any reads I would not expect him to do so.

Villains should hit this board so poorly that even if they have hit hero will still have decent equity, so don't really hate a shove.

I doubt he's min raising a 4 here because of the flush draw that's out there so I would throw out at combos with a 4 in them.

That being said if you think he'll fold 55-99 and Tx hands some of the time (most guys will fold those IMO at this level) it's a ship.

Don't really like calling and reevaluating on the turn. I think the money needs to get in on the flop. You've done nothing but give him reasons to fold so a ship just gives him one more chance to dump it.

Watch him have the 4 here lol.

He's being sarcastic, but with a good point. Coming up with a good range is critical in making good decisions. Lots of players come up with ranges that they can beat to justify a call or shove. A few come on here then complain that the villain played the hand wrong and they lost because of it. Both villains can have TT or some 4x hand.

In general, FDs don't do well on paired boards. You're no longer drawing to the nuts and can be drawing dead. I'm not looking to get stacks in. I'd probably call in a game, but will be happy to get to show down.

what does he do with his JTo, 99, 88, etc when you shove? he's folding all his middle/weak strength (at the moment) kinda hands to a shove, which leaves you against stuff like TT, A4o. Most hands we are a favorite vs. are not calling a shove, with the possible exception of weaker FDs depending on V

With so many good cards in the deck, position, and a great price, i just call here. Do not think that your fold equity is great in this spot, and your equity vs. his shove calling range is not enough to make it obviously +EV

Well answered.
This.

Somebody explain why typical villain in a 1-2nl game would minraise with a 4 here on this type of board.

How many times have you seen in the flow of a game where a guy either leads huge or check raises huge after flopping trips on a two flush board? I know I see it all the time.

To me a min raise on this type of board is a weaker holding that is trying to see where he is at cheaply. A hand with a 4 or TT is the outlier on this type of flop IMO.

So we have $200 effective? 300 effective? Possibly $500 effective if this was 2/5 and you made a min-raise pre. This is kind of important.


Anyway, one mistake that low limit players make is when they semi-bluff with no fold equity. I, personally, don't think we have much fold equity (especially if stacks are $200) after a minraise. I think there is more fold equity in calling and shipping any turns that are bigger than a T.

So, since I think his range is a lot of Ts that aren't folding, I'm calling in game and reevaluating turn.

I don't really like this flop nor specifically min raise, would be more comfortable making a decision with a huge check raise from V.

I think min raise is weak he hit the ten or have JJ-66 (except 1010)
Considering the flush draw he would like to end it directly with a 4 hence bigger raise.

I'd call and re-evaluate turn.

Turn card and action if you called?

After some thought, I really like the bolded line.

I'm usually spittle-on-the-monitor opposed to shipping bricked turns instead of flops with our NFDs, but this is one of the few times I think it might be a better play overall.

lol at the player descriptions. Does it really matter what kind of polo V2 is wearing? Was he bragging about working in the head office but you saw through his bs?

I think this is a definite call and re-evaluate turn. Without much of a read on V I would expect this to be either a TP "see where I am at" kinda raise or a 4x (more likely imo). Don't really agree with your range given unless you had more info. AA,KK 3 bet pre sometimes and I would expect FDs to just call flop and if they raised to make it more than a min raise.

If v has a Tx hand he probably slows down on the turn, especially if an overcard comes. If he has a 4x he keeps firing. So you can play pretty well with position on the turn. If he somehow has a FD and you fold that out by shipping I think that is a disaster

Think you can go a little smaller on the flop as well and still get stacks in by the river if es are 100 BB. Hard for your opponents to have something on that flop when you have NFD so no need to go pot to get folds

This seems like an easy call, we still have all the strong hands in our range when we call plus position. Villains very best fold goes up from flop to turn as well.

I'd include JJ, TT, 54s, 43s, and 64s in his range.