Hi guys I recently played an interesting hand at a 2/5 NL table and would like some feedback on the way I approached this hand.

Starting stacks:

Hero: $500
Villain: $200

Villain just sat down at the table therefore I have no info on him other than he is possibly in his late 20s, he is drinking beer, and bought in short stack which means he is most likely not a good player. Villain opens in MP for $20 after 2 EP limpers. Hero calls on the BTN holding A Q SB folds, BB and the 2 EP limpers call as well.

The flop comes: J 4 9 $82 in pot

It gets checked around to Villain who bets $50. Now my question here is given the effective stacks would you just shove with 2 overs and the nut flush draw or call and play the turn?

Thanks for the feedback guys!

What are the reads and stack sizes of other villains in the hand?

I think this is a shove when you consider the fold equity if we are only considering "V" but there are 2 other Vs still in the hand who could be trapping and using their relative position. We have awful relative position since we are first to act after the initial raiser.

We need to know the other V's stack sizes and any other reads on them, but if this were just 2 way I think it's a shove because we are about 50/50 against a hand like KJ.

The two EP limpers obviously aren't a factor in this hand, but until they fold they are for us. What are there playing styles and stack sizes?

I agree, you would normally consider a shove. You have twice as much equity with two cards to come than if you wait for the turn to make your move. However I think a call works a little better.

Problem is, without fold equity, you're not quiiiiiiiiiite priced in for a shove. And you don't know how much fold equity you have.

You might say, well those other two guys are calling stations, and at least one will probably call my shove. That's cool, but if they are calling stations, shoot you should just call, let them call behind and bingo. You're priced in.

You might say, well what if one of those guys comes over the top. Likewise, that's cool; depends on their stack but you get to see what villain does, plenty of time to add up your odds.

You will regret calling if it just comes down to you and villain. Maybe you get some IO as a consolation prize. But if any fish come along, even for a raise, you should be in business.

So I vote for a call.

3b pre

In this hand, if you were heads up then this would be an easy shove given fold equity...that's really not as easy to compute when you have a multi-way pot.

Considering that there are 2 V's in the hand behind still to act...our hand needs to be VERY strong to make a shove here (only made med/high flushes and top/middle sets IMO). In this scenario, flatting is better and let the hand develop. If V's fold, turn comes a blank and villain shoves turn...we're still about even money to call if we consider our A or Q to still be good as well and can go off some physical reads if available.

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I agree with what is said here. With 2 villains left to act behind, opting to call and playing the turn seems optimal. On the turn, I am still about 50/50 against Jx hands which is most
likely what villain is shoving here.

X3.

3 betting pre-flop with AQo against a short stacked unknown is not optimal in my opinion.

Why not?

Because villain is unknown. Some players only raise the very top of their range "JJ+" and even flat with AK so 3 betting with AQ is asking for trouble given that villain could be one of those players. How would you feel stacking off on an Ace high board with TP second best kicker against an unknown?