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Old 02-02-2012, 01:42 AM   #151
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

call river, hand is played pretty good
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:24 AM   #152
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Fold pre
should I really be folding AK pre for only $13?
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:25 AM   #153
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should I really be folding AK pre for only $13?
AKo oop to a 3bet in low stakes, yes fold pre.
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:46 AM   #154
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

How long have you been playing with him?

If you have never seen him 3bet then folding AKo OOP is a safe play. However, if villain is maniacal and playing 100% of hands and often open raising with complete garbage, his 3bet range is likely to follow in a similarly reckless vein.

Calling and folding are both reasonable. As played, you have to call OTR. Also, try to narrow down if his recklessness is solely with his preflop calling range and nothing else (which would be really unusual).

Also, never look at values in absolute terms. If you are thinking about it as "only $13" you aren't thinking correctly.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:11 AM   #155
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How long have you been playing with him?

If you have never seen him 3bet then folding AKo OOP is a safe play. However, if villain is maniacal and playing 100% of hands and often open raising with complete garbage, his 3bet range is likely to follow in a similarly reckless vein.

Calling and folding are both reasonable. As played, you have to call OTR. Also, try to narrow down if his recklessness is solely with his preflop calling range and nothing else (which would be really unusual).

Also, never look at values in absolute terms. If you are thinking about it as "only $13" you aren't thinking correctly.
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:24 AM   #156
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

How bad is this play against a young white thinking TAG (I mean really Tight and Aggresive) player? I don't have much read on him but I've seen him play better then ABC poker, valuetowning thin and reraising FOS raises with air. His cbet is really really high.

Pre V raises utg, 5 callers. $40 pot. Hero calls OTB w/87s.
Flop K96r. V cbets $25, folded, Hero raises $60, V raises $150, Hero puts V all-in for $500ish?
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:45 PM   #157
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How bad is this play against a young white thinking TAG (I mean really Tight and Aggresive) player? I don't have much read on him but I've seen him play better then ABC poker, valuetowning thin and reraising FOS raises with air. His cbet is really really high.

Pre V raises utg, 5 callers. $40 pot. Hero calls OTB w/87s.
Flop K96r. V cbets $25, folded, Hero raises $60, V raises $150, Hero puts V all-in for $500ish?
Why raise to $60? What were you trying to accomplish? It you were trying to take it down, it might be best to do this against some whities or any Japanese. Never do this against a gypsy or a beaner as they will feel priced in everytime.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:48 PM   #158
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Why raise to $60? What were you trying to accomplish? It you were trying to take it down, it might be best to do this against some whities or any Japanese. Never do this against a gypsy or a beaner as they will feel priced in everytime.
Pretty racist statement bro. Don't ya think?
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:07 PM   #159
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Raise $60 bcs of a board structure.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:59 PM   #160
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

It's strange. I sit at home and read these forums and plug away on pokerstove and figure out equities and ranges. I give myself certain ranges to play in MW pots. I tell myself to never think that people are bluffing unless I see their cards.

Then I go sit down to play and I'm raising UTG with 76s and 86s. I'm calling raises with Q8s, J9o, 87o, 64s. Raising limpers with A9o. Calling 3bets with AKo. Raising people on a semi-bluff when I have no reason to think that I have FE. It's like I have a pretty good idea of how to play profitably but when I actually sit down to play all I want to do is gamboooooooolll
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:06 PM   #161
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It's strange. I sit at home and read these forums and plug away on pokerstove and figure out equities and ranges. I give myself certain ranges to play in MW pots. I tell myself to never think that people are bluffing unless I see their cards.

Then I go sit down to play and I'm raising UTG with 76s and 86s. I'm calling raises with Q8s, J9o, 87o, 64s. Raising limpers with A9o. Calling 3bets with AKo. Raising people on a semi-bluff when I have no reason to think that I have FE. It's like I have a pretty good idea of how to play profitably but when I actually sit down to play all I want to do is gamboooooooolll
That is the case for most. That's why you have to play strict ranges. Otherwise you will find yourself playing what ever hands you get.

Stick to your ranges man, if you don't have any mapped out ranges, make some notes for yourself, asap.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:08 PM   #162
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I think I actually might write some ranges down on a notecard and restrict myself to only what I have allowed myself to play. Hopefully that will keep me from spewing off $50+ over the course of the night by shrugging and thinking "hey I might smash the flop and stack an idiot"
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:11 PM   #163
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Pretty racist statement bro. Don't ya think?
lol, glad someone finally noticed!
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:14 PM   #164
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It's strange. I sit at home and read these forums and plug away on pokerstove and figure out equities and ranges. I give myself certain ranges to play in MW pots. I tell myself to never think that people are bluffing unless I see their cards.

Then I go sit down to play and I'm raising UTG with 76s and 86s. I'm calling raises with Q8s, J9o, 87o, 64s. Raising limpers with A9o. Calling 3bets with AKo. Raising people on a semi-bluff when I have no reason to think that I have FE. It's like I have a pretty good idea of how to play profitably but when I actually sit down to play all I want to do is gamboooooooolll
Always remember that if you are finding poker to be fun and exciting, you are likely playing wrong. You should fold most of the excitement out of the game.

Be sure to play your cards and not let them play you. There is a clear difference.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:16 PM   #165
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Raise $60 bcs of a board structure.
I don't know what this means. Were you trying to take the pot down...obviously not enough. Were you trying to induce both players to shove?
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:25 PM   #166
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It's strange. I sit at home and read these forums and plug away on pokerstove and figure out equities and ranges. I give myself certain ranges to play in MW pots. I tell myself to never think that people are bluffing unless I see their cards.

Then I go sit down to play and I'm raising UTG with 76s and 86s. I'm calling raises with Q8s, J9o, 87o, 64s. Raising limpers with A9o. Calling 3bets with AKo. Raising people on a semi-bluff when I have no reason to think that I have FE. It's like I have a pretty good idea of how to play profitably but when I actually sit down to play all I want to do is gamboooooooolll
U gotta be disiplined. Sometimes that means playing one hand per hours
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Old 02-03-2012, 10:08 AM   #167
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

what are everyone's thoughts on showing cards after an opponent folds?
never show, show bluffs, show strong hands, if you think the player will tilt etc?
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:21 AM   #168
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

His 3bet there looks really strong. We would have to think he is pretty crazy for him not to be pretty nutted here
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Old 02-03-2012, 11:50 AM   #169
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what are everyone's thoughts on showing cards after an opponent folds?
never show, show bluffs, show strong hands, if you think the player will tilt etc?
I rarely show. Occasionally will show cards to fish who are nice and re-buying constantly. Usually to reinforce what they are doing too much of...like if they are calling too much, I will show them a successful semibluff of someone else.

I rarely do things to tilt people intentionally. The +ev of such moves is questionable short term, and makes the games less pleasant. It's not fun to lose money and get mad...fish need to have fun. They already expect to lose when they gamble.
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Old 02-03-2012, 01:14 PM   #170
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I would like some feedback on a hand I played ages ago. Just curious as to what line others would take to maximize value.

1/2 in Tunica, MS. The table is for the most part great. I have position on 3 spew monkeys who are calling large raises, and getting taken to value town when they catch any piece. They love seeing a flop for just about any price.

The key villain in the hand is an older gentleman. Looks like a local, and my first impression on him is that he may be quite tight, if not a bit nitty. I haen't seen him get very involved other than taking down a couple of medium sized pots. One he showed the but flush on the river, and the others he bet the river on fairly dry boards with what I suspected to be two-pairish type hands, but was not called by the spew monkeys.

Stack sizes:
Spew monkeys all have $200-ish, but aren't key to the story.
I have $400+
The key villain is on the button with $350-ish.

The 3 spew monkeys limp, and I am in MP with QQ. I raise to $20. A bit more than normal, but they had paid similar amounts to see flops with 9-2, so what the hey. I had been fairly active in the last couple of hours, mainly playing against the spew monkeys (all nice guys and happily giving chips away).

Key villain on the button minraises me to $40.
Blinds and spew monkeys all fold.

The raise from this villain based on my reads and the habits of the older reg locals in Tunica indicates very strongly he is holding AA or KK, heavily weighting towards AA. This isn't AKs, JJ, or anything else imo.

If I call the raise, I understand I am set mining, and I do not plan to continue past the flop with just a pair.

I am getting about 18-1 calling the extra $20, so set mining seems fine here.

I call.
Pot: $80-ish

Flop:
Q-10-10 r

Gin!

Now the question...
What line do you take OOP to maximize value from this villain?
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Old 02-03-2012, 01:32 PM   #171
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lead small flop, lead small turn, big bet on river. hope he raises you somewhere.
Like $30 flop, $45 turn, then just a huge river bet like 170.
Based on your description of villain, there just might not be a way to get that much out of him.
I don't like c/r. I don't like anything that checks the turn to him.
I figure just bet something he'll probably call to get some money in, then after he does have some money in, make a massive bet and hopefully he misreads your play or raises somewhere along the way.
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Old 02-03-2012, 01:37 PM   #172
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After beating a player out of a pot laughed at himself and said something to the effect of "I just close my eyes and put money in and hope for the best"
Ha! this is exactly something i've said on more than one occassion but i havent played in any short handed 2/5 games at parx in a while.

As far as the hand, fire second barrell, b/f $140 - $160 IMO and play to his top pair on the flop type combos
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:05 PM   #173
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1/2 NL

Villain is middle-aged white recreational player. Plays like a standard 1/2 player- loose preflop including a good amount of limps, fit or fold post flop. Never raising post-flop without close to the nuts.

Hero ($600)
Villain ($300)

Villain Straddles to $4
MP calls
Hero (7h Th) calls $4 from button
BB calls
Straddle checks.

Flop ($17) 3 8h T rainbow
Villain bets $15
MP folds
Hero calls
BB folds

Turn ($47) 3x 8h Tc Qc
Villain bets $15
Hero raises to $60.

Like it?
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:14 PM   #174
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^^^^ I like it actually; but if called and he doesnt look that strong you better follow through on the river of a bet of $100 or just north of it. At first on the flop I thought of it as a train wreck, but the turn play made up for it assuming he can fold.

I like raising this to $25 pre tbh, particularly at tight tables though. At a crazy loose game I'm not sure this is a good idea. We are on the button with a made hand and stacks are deepish; lets protect our marginal holding IP and see if we can stack someone every now and then. We also have a hand that can make it to showdown on favorable boards vs people that are hard to play against. Calling the straddle is ok if average table, but raising is a little better if ur a good post flop player
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:20 PM   #175
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Too nitty? I know some of you may lol at me, some may agree...

Villain $160 has been playing pretty average. Seems competent, never played with him. Raised a couple times over a medium sample, his range appears to be strong ish. Table is super nitty, 8 handed game. Villain raises to $8 UTG+1, folds to hero otb with KQ and folds.

How nitty is this? I know I'm not doing great vs his opening range there, but the blinds look to fold, but we are on the button and I'm a winnning player. I figured there isnt much value when he has 80bb, decent player and he hasn't opened light ever. From what I've seen he limps marginal hands in MP on in and raises only strong hands.
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