77?

Pokerstove wizards would know the answer. I'm guessing 77 is right around the cutoff line, but I suck at stoving. I'm also guessing what position villain is opening from starts factoring in more.

GsucksatstovingG

He was in MP.

I thought this was an easy shove also (which is what I did), but stoving it later showed it was much closer.

It has that "small favorite/big dog" thing going for it. First, you've got 24 combos crushing you. You're a small favorite vs. AK, and my thought at the table was that he'll give the "aw screw it call" with more and more hands since he's so short, so every time you add AQ, KQ, AJ, etc, you add 16 more combos. But they're "small favorite" combos, so you end up adding only small percentage points to your side, staying on the side of being a small dog.

Getting some of those hands to actually fold wouldn't be a bad thing. We're a favorite vs them, but they have plenty of equity against us. So the combo of fold equity vs. winning some races gets us to +EV territory. Add in a few "ah screw it" calls with 88/99, and off we go.

Maybe it's a little too much analysis for 25BB, whatev...

When a shortstack puts in $10 of a $50 stack, he's just never folding anything, imo. So that means factoring in 87s, 55, etc., and before you know it, we're probably a monster favourite.

GadmitsI'mnotreallysurewherethemagiclineisforpocke tpairs,orforhowmanybbsG

Had a phenomenal table last night, several drunk guys, lots of deep stacks and several players stuck 2 buy ins.

This situation comes up in the $2/3 spread limit game (max bet/raise = $300):

UTG seat 1 open shoves $118. UTG is a happy drunk guy stuck about 600 clearly looking to donk off/gamble.

Folds to me utg+3 and I have AKo. My stack = ~$800. Behind me I have 1 short stack, 2 guys $350, 1 guy ~$450, and BB has me covered.

Should I flat call here or raise? If I flat call and a guy with $350-450 shoves I should call or fold? The players behind me were playing tight in the last hour.

I would call/fold. Range for tight players to shove over an open shove and cold call likely has you crushed. If players are in fact tight I don't see them doing this with anything lower than QQ+ so the best your hoping for is a flip against QQ

should I always be raising/getting it in with open-ended straight/flush combo draw on the flop even when its clear villain is never folding?

Had Js9s on 3s8dTs and it was raise/reraised to me on the button. Do I always raise here regardless of stack sizes? what are your approaches??

give the exact action and at least approximate stack sizes, but typically in capped games, i'm getting that in.

If you don't have any fold equity, and you DON'T think your opponent will get away from his hand when you get there, then there's no reason not to flat and try to get there as cheaply as possible.

V1 300ish V2 700+
I have 550 with J9

V1 limps V2 raises 12, I call, V1 calls.

Flop($40ish) 38T
V1 bets 30, V2 raises 100.

played about 5 hrs with the V2, and I knew he had AT LEAST 2 pair cuz he played very straight forward and never got out of line, I would never put him on a bluff.

what if I flat and miss? am i still calling one more street and giving up if i miss again? I am not really sure if I like flatting... but how can I fold such a good draw :/

Villain here can have AA or KK, also, no? Two pair seems unlikely from a straightforward player.

If we start adding overpairs to his range, you may even be a slight favorite, so getting it in is easily the right play. And if you're a slight dog, then we just need a whiff of fold equity to he plus EV.

If you think he ONLY has sets here and is NEVER folding, then we can call flop but should fold turn when we miss, because we no longer have odds to draw as he bombs the pot with his set.

If you're getting the right odds, then you can call again. Remember to include implied odds since we're assuming they never get away when we get there. With 14 outs, if you're getting ~2.35:1 odds including implied odds then you can call, which will be almost always.

Don't be so afraid of putting in $100 and another $200 and then folding. It's the correct play in the long run and is way better than sticking in the whole $550 on the flop and then whiffing.

The only reason to stick it in on the flop is if you think your opponent will ever fold the flop or if you think he will get away from his hand if you get there.

I think I would flat. We don't really need to raise any more to "iso" because the initial bet is so large to begin with. If anyone else flats, that'll create a ~PSB that we can probably shove on most flops (good FE against smaller pairs that whiffed, and decent hand equity if we do get called). If anyone shoves behind us, I think it's a pretty easy call as the UTG's money should offset any flip situations that we're slightly behind in (although I'm not a stove wizard, and UTGs money isn't exactly dead since he still has equity in the hand, but we should be sucking up more than our fair share of equity here).

GcluelessNLnoobG

I'm trying to get better at evaluating my play. One of the things I'm working on is recognizing the role variance is playing in my results.

It's pretty easy to compare my winnings with my expectation for hands won/lost at showdown. But tonight I played a 5 hour session with exactly one hand going to showdown. I got plenty of big starting hands and very little action on them. It's hard for me to think of this as running bad since stealing blinds and limps adds up to a profit eventually.

Since there's relatively little skill involved in playing big hands preflop (I got KK UTG and open raised for value, yay), can I ignore the question of getting not enough/too much preflop action and just focus on postflop?

the action you get on KK preflop might be related to how you've played all your other hands to this point.

Obviously the goal would be to have KK the exact time someone is going to take a stand against you with TT. They're not going to do that if you've been folding for 5 orbits.

Question about a fold I made 2 nights ago.

Loose 2-5NL table, lots of players calling raises trying see many flops, standard loose 2-5 game. 160BB effective.

Hero $900 UTG+2 I look pretty TAG I suppose except I spewed off 60 BB about 2 hrs ago with KQs vs an aggro who had AA. I have AK and raise to $25
V1 MP $500 loose reg calls
V2 BTN $800 very loose preflop rec player, tighter post flop calls, he and I have been involved in a few pots already and I have cbet him and he folded twice in past 1/2 hour


Flop K96
Pot $78
Hero bets $45
V1 folds
V2 raises to $145

I talk to him a bit ask him if he is doing this with AQ and he responds pretty quickly and comfortably, "If you want to call call, If you want to raise raise, don't ask me about my hand". I just felt he hit set or more likely A9 or A6s for 2 pair and I was beat and wasn't interested in playing for stacks OOP which is where I am heading if I call. There's really only 78 for draws and its not that likely because it is really only 78s.

Anyone call here?
Pretty standard fold here $800 deep?

Flop was A96?

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Yes A96 not K96, my mistake. Suits correct. Too late to edit.

theres not really too much on this board that he can raise with in terms of draws

A9 and A6 are possible, but do you think he'd do this with AQ/AJ/AT? doesnt seem like it based on your description. if he was tired of you c-betting often, he might try this with air or bottom pair.

this could mean a lot of things, its difficult to range him without more specific reads.

against a total random, id just fold since this flop is so dry and i think most people here are just flatting with hands hero beat (AQ-AT).

Hero's regular 1/2 game, plays like 2-5 due to normal BTN Straddle

Hero $200 on BTN with A6
No straddle, folds to Hero, Hero Limps (This is probably generally bad, but blinds have been loose this session)
SB $200 makes it $11
BB folds
Hero calls $11

Flop ($24): 346

SB bets $16
Hero calls $16

Turn ($56): 8

SB checks
Hero bets $22
SB raises to $52
Hero calls $30

River ($160): T

SB checks
Hero???

what hand?

and dont open limp your button

Sorry, that needs to be there

Hero has A6

raise pre

flop is good

when he checks the turn, it looks like hes giving up. hes probably barrelling again with most draws so i think you should just check behind since you have showdown value, can see a free river to improve, and allow him to take a stab at the river. the c/r looks bluffy to me because what does he check with on the turn that makes sense. Any over pairs are barreling so i think this is a draw or air.

on the river, check behind. you have showdown value and theres not much in his range that hes calling with that you beat.

Right, but me having NFD and the possible open-ended draw made me think the same thing, I bet the turn thinking AK or KQ type hands would get folded out