I have to imagine all of your outs are live. 9 clubs, 6 (nonclub) straight cards. And as you pointed out your queens might be live. If you have 15 outs you are 31.91% to win the hand (15/47). That's worst case scenario imo...even if he has a set you still have those 18 outs. Obviously he can have a bigger flush draw (you'd rather see a set than a bigger flush draw lol) but it's a small enough part of his range to ignore imo.

I'm not sure why you say pot is 46. Yeah there's 20 in pre plus your 13 and his his 13 is 46 but you have to include his extra 37 as that is now in the pot too. That makes a pot of 83 and you need 37 to call. So you need to be 37 / (83+37) = 30.83% to make this a call. That actually makes this spot waaaaaay closer than I originally thought (gut reaction was to snap call).

If your queens are live then it's def a call, otherwise it's close. I'm probably calling but it's very close.

Ah yeah, my bad, I meant to add the $37 on to the pot (as that's how I got my rough 2.25 to 1 odds).

Pretty loose passive $2/5 Nl $1/3 PLO round by round game. Hero has not been very active and is at $480ish. Villain is a loose gambly older Asian guy (has gotten aipf with 88 for $350 vs hero, which might have been ok now that I think about it). Villain 2 is a younger Asian guy who does not really seem to know much PLO (lead pot and called a raise with aaxx on kt3 rainbow and lead shoved the turn 5 and had 2 outs).

The hand: a solid tag player opens to $20 in a button straddled pot and gets 3 calls. Hero calls on button with jj86ds (maybe too loose as low flushes are **** in multiway Omaha hands but at this table I can make a killing if I flop a j).
Pot= $100. Flop 39t rainbow with one of my suits. Tag checks Asian 1 pots for $100 Asian 2 calls folded to me. Asian 2 would never IMO flat with a set and I think Asian 1 may not play a set this fast so I expect Asian 1 to have mostly t9xx and some sets and Asian 2 to have some sort of draws or even some random txxx or two pair maybe even an overpair (he was that bad). Does hero pot it and try and make t9xx fold or fold cause I am pretty ****ed vs a set and a high wrap.

I thought it was close in realtime too, so I called. Figured what the hey, I hit quads twice that night so I got luck on my side. I did think a Q was an out though, as I pegged him on a Jx.

Well, he flips over J6 for two pair, the essential toppest of top of his range. And the river is the 3c and I get to scoop in the pot

3/5 Seattle area casino
Hero's image is winning, I had just stacked a coupla young short stackers at a limpy table. Had chipped up to 1700. Hero is early 40s white guy. Our table broke, but villain in the following hand moved with Hero to the new table.

Hero gets to the new table first and selects seat 9 for position on the big stack.

Villain 1 (1100) in seat 5 is mid 30s white guy, moderately drunk, but clearly a competent player. We have played once before but not sure V remembers. Villain was playing aggressive, mostly raising to 25 at the other table.

Villain 2 (200) in seat 7 is late 20s white guy, very drunk. Can't stack his chips. Was at the new table when Hero got there, had 300 stack when I got there, spewed that off, and was on second 300 (I forget on what). Hero wants to play with Villain 2.

Villain 1 raises to 15 UTG+1
Villain 2 MP calls
Hero CO raises to 100 with QQ.

I was thinking to isolate V2, thinking he will call.

Villain 1 calls
Villain 2 folds

OK, not what I wanted, but I have QQ

flop (215) 234ddh

Villain 1 checks

Hero's action? Villain 1 has 1000 back. Hero covers.

i'd be b/f three streets for value, probably 2/3psb otf and slightly smaller ott and otr to keep the bottom of his range in which can include 88-JJ.

Thanks for the input. I was thinking SPR is 5. I can stack off here. But I think I was playing scared with so much at stake. Not used to playing for 200 bb with just an overpair.

Hero bet 200

Villain folded.

I know I should have bet less. Like 130. Probably gotten a call from AK or JJ or whatever. But was 200 terrible?

Nope. You did just fine.

Which casino? I play at Club Hollywood usually at the 2-40 spread (I'm a nit).

Tulalip
I've never played Hollywood.

On a 234 flush draw board I'm betting $200 here every time.

Thanks. It's just that based on the call of 100 pf, I don't think he can have an oesd. I really want to get paid by TT, JJ and AK.

1/2 Quick line check
Only been playing about an hour but my image is solid.

Hero is in sb w/ A9ss.

1 limp, competent young player(V1) raises to $12 in mp, two callers, i call (?), call.

Flop 669r ($60)

I lead for $30. V1 raises to $60. Everybody folds.

Is leading ok here. Maybe check?

Fold pre. You are OOP with an easily dominated hand, and if V1 does not have an Ace, you are not getting paid much, if anything, when it hits.

As played, what are stacks? If eff stacks are $100, then you are committed. If eff stacks are $1000, then it's a different story.

And we need a lot more info about V1. What is his raising range? Have you seen him min-raise before?

In a vacuum, I am probably folding here. Your hand is somewhat face up and he is telling you that he is not scared of your 9. That is, if he is a solid, tight player.

Hard to play A9s out of position vs. competent player. That said, with multiple fish coming in, I don't hate it. (assuming stacks are big enough).

This was not the flop I was looking for, though.

Sure, its not the best flop. Just not sure if checking is correct. And I dont call pre w/o the fishy swimming along.

I'd say villain raises about 20% of his hands here. Stacks are all around 100bb.

In re to bold part. There are 3 other fishes in the hand. I am not playing this hand to only get the raiser.

My hand is not face up. I would bet the same with a 6. My question really is to bet flop.

Sorry, bit incomplete stacks are all around 150-250. Raiser rasies 20% maybe. Other players basic 1/2 fish. Similar flop problem to the spikeraw 77 hand he started a thread with. Seems split decision over there on betting the flop.

I like a x/c on flop or if it checks around lead the turn. When you donk this flop from the blinds I think a lot of live players are going to put you on a 6 so you are basically bluffing.

When you donk this, 80% of players put you on a 6. A truly solid player knows that a you know this and would expect a cbet in this situation. So they assume that you will not bet the 6. The only thing you would bet is the 9. Since he knows you have the 9, he can raise-repping an overpair. Now you have to decide if he is bluffing or if he has it. What is his bluffing frequency? What are your reads on him? If you haven't been paying close enough attention for the past hour to know the answer to these questions, fold, and next time you flop the nuts donk half the pot to him.

lol I did this 40 minutes later to same villain when I hit a set. It worked, he put a move on me. The rest of that hand belongs in BBV

There were still two fish left to act when he raised the hand so I dont think he does this with air. The bigger question is whether to check flop. I am first to act against about a 20% pfr and 3 basic, loose, passive easy-to-read fishes.

Also, pf, I think calling is ok with 3 fishes in.

All 3 of these hands are in my last hour of a 11.5 hour session. The table has just gotten great as a well known maniac has just sat down and the action will be going thru the roof thanks to the other personalities at the table. In my last hour at the table, I go from being stuck $200 to shipping a $600 win, thanks mostly to these 3 hands. But I'm not thrilled with any of them.

1/3, 10 handed


HAND 1:

Preflop: The Horrendous Fish ($300), the Bad Loose Mostly Straightforward ($1200) and the Loose Can Get Crazy But Not Horrendous ($800) all limp to me on the Button. The Maniac is in the blinds. Hero ($340) raises to $30; I haven't played a hand since Tuesday and people are aware of that. Maniac ($400), Straightforward and Not Horrendous all call. Ouch.

Flop (4 players, $120): KQJ with two of a suit (none mine). I've got $310 left, so an SPR of less than 3, but in a 4way pot with not exactly the greatest of boards. Maniac donks $25, Straighforward calls, Horrendous folds.

What's your plan, Stan?

I flat and feel dirty about it.

So now pot is $205 and I've got $285 left.

Turn: Maniac checks in the dark and then a Q hits for a KQQJss board. Straightforward checks. Hero?

Any bet commits me, right?

I check behind and feel sick to my stomach.

River: The blankiest of blanks, The Maniac bets ~$100, Straightforward folds, I snap call.

Meh? I know my SPR is small and I's got an overpair, but is this an auto stack off on this flop 4ways? Or is there any justification for playing it like an eleven-year-old girl?

Geleven-year-oldgirlG

Should have made a thread gg. I think its a snap call with aces.

HAND 2:

The Maniac ($400) raise to $15 in EP. He's already be caught raising 72 twice in the last half hour (he gets dealt 72 lots). So this is ATC. The Huge Fish ($300) calls, the Bad Loose Straightforward ($1200) calls, the Loose Can Get Crazy But Not Horrendous ($800), the Action Guy ($300) calls, and Hero ($580) calls out of the SB with A9s.

Flop (6 players, $90): 987r

Hero checks, Maniac bets $20, folds to Hero who calls

Turn (2 players, $130): T (so now a T987r board)

Hero checks, Maniac bets $50, Hero calls

River (2 players, $230): Kr

Hero checks, Maniac bets $100, Hero calls

I have a "I can never fold one pair versus this guy" note when playing The Maniac. In the last session, I bet my second pair on a drawy board when he checked to me HU. The river completed a flopped flush draw, plus brought a 2nd over to my pair. The Maniac donked into me, I folded (I think he knows I can fold), and he shows absolute air (no pair, no draw, no nothing, just calling some streets of betting to do something weird and hopefully take the pot, which he was successful at).

But is this really the board to implement my "I can never fold one pair versus this guy" line?

GmehG

Don't like the line. C/r flop.