super lucky. You're basically trying to fade multiple draws (with an imaginary value range) that can easily be smacking both villains with a pear, or top 2 or w/e. For this to work out more often than not, both need to be at the bottom of their ranges (small & mid pocket pairs or garbage connectors), and you will find yourself firing multiple barrels into the drawing portion of their ranges and having to fold X% of the time when they get there.

I'd rather bluff with position AND the intiative preflop by squeezing or 3b or w/e.

What areyour thoughts on holding cards in muck/fold position whenever a villain bets and action is on another villain? what do you? I always find it useful to look to my left and see people are gonna fold before calling without fearing a raise or another call. Should we be doing the same? Sometimes I do it because I really wanna see a villains hand, maybe I could angle one time and come with a raise with the nuts lol

1-2nl. Effective stacks at $200.

Babyboomer with clean image raises UTG to $11. Three average regulars call. 30ish taggy white guy with clean image reraises to $66 from the SB.. You look down in the BB with QQ. What do you do?

Prob a shuv IMO. He can have a ton of draw combos, and spr is getting to point of commitment. Though it's possible not all your outs are clean, but it's a strong c/r, if he's raising sets here its BC of SD/FD on board but it could very well be similar holdings as you.

Yeah this is a terrible board texture to do anything... I don't hate the preflop call ip deepish

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This probably dosn't deserve its own thread so I'm putting it here...

Playing a live $1/2 NL game in Vegas. Table is short handed with 6 people. Small raise from player UTG and button player re-pops it to $26. I'm sitting with a stack around $550 in the small blind and look down at KK.

I decide to re-raise to $75, and my opponent re-raises to $200. He has me well covered in chips. I'm not willing to call here and will either fold or go all-in. My question is... how often would you consider a fold in this spot? My opponent is solid, but willing to play some sub-par hands in position. He recognizes I'm playing pretty tight and has to know I've got something here.

IDK man. When a tag checks on that board he is giving up close to 100% of the time in that spot so now there's only one player between me and that pot--a player who has already checked.

I'm very conflicted about a hand I played today. I feel I might be results oriented with the outcome.

It's like 9AM on a weekday. Villain is African American, on the young side probably late 20s early 30s. I haven't seen him raise pre in the hour I've been there. Table is playing very loose passive. Occasionally someone else raises but for the most part it's only been me.

Villain has a little over 300 to start the hand, I cover.

Villain makes it 10 from EP. Folds to me in the BB. I make it 32 with KK. Villain thinks for about 5 seconds then reaches for chips. 4 bets to 110. Action on me.

Folding KK seems sketchy with 150ish BBs. Especially at 1/2. But this raise seems so super strong. What the hell do I do here?

AI.

so this is the new home of all the "can I fold KK pre?" questions.

How about planning before 4 betting? That's more important than what we tell you to do here.

Personally I hate the 4 bet this deep without a read since the average player's 3 bet range is absurdly tight.

What is your opinion on 3betting AK preflop? I have almost always 3bet preflop unless the other player is extremely tight. The reason why i reraise preflop is b/c of the value of AK and how its mostly the best hand pf but the reason is because i want pocket pairs to be in a tough decision as they would fold it pre or call and check fold flop.

However i started to think isn't 3betting with ak wrong against good players that would lay down hands like a10, aj and aq preflop? I had 3bet them and they think and fold their AQ faceup.

The reason why i still 3bet with AK is because even if i flop an ace... i worry if they flop 2 pair or a set. Such as if they raise preflop to $12, i 3bet to $35 with AK because if they have like 55-1010... then its going to be tough for them to continue on flop if they dont flop a set and its overcards.

The other thing is i would hate it if they raise preflop to $12 and i call with AK. Then flop comes A 8 5 and they had 88 or 55. Or worst if they flop 2 pair with A8 or A5. The same can be said if it comes A J 6 and they have like AJ. So my head would think i should have reraised preflop with AK.


Is my logic right or wrong here?


I'm thinking if its a good player who can fold hands like aj or aq preflop to a 3bet, its best to call with AK so they wouldn't fold their aj or aq hand? Thus when we both flop an ace, i will get paid off since they wouldn't put me on AK? The negative is when these good players raise preflop with hands like pairs and flop a set when i flop an ace or king and then i get stacked. At that point i think i could have just 3bet them and they fold it preflop?

3Betting AK is most players' first foray into "light" 3betting. It's a semibluff - we get better to fold (small pairs), and have plenty of equity when they continue. We're also making it incorrect for 88 and 55 to setmine, so when they try anyway, they have lost money in the long run.

Also, it's no so much about our plan for this hand, for me - it's about getting my total 3bet percentage up to 5-6%. I'm trying to get good players who are looking their HUD for me to make a big mistake with AQ/JJ/TT.

The examples you give with A85 flops and losing with AK just sound more like coolers than anything to me. If you 3b once in a while even good players can call with AQ AJ hands and you can now get value with AK. Also remember when the flop comes Q92 and you cbet after 3betting pre that most players with 33-88 will have a very tough time continuing.

You play a 1/2 hand with villain where you flop TPWK from SB in limped pot, he flops top two pair on BTN, you check, he checks behind. Turn pairs the board giving you trips and him a full house, you bet $5 into $6, he calls. River is brick, you bet $10 and he raises to $24 (has $26 left behind). You call and after he says to you "yeah I figured you had something like that, wanted to raise an amount where you wouldn't fold"

A few hands later, MP limps, villain completes SB, you make it $10 in the BB with AhJh, MP folds, SB villain calls. Flop is KcQ6c. Villain looks at his cards and donks $20 into $22. Villain has ~$70 behind.

Shove?

Fold. You missed. He's making a potsized bet. It's over.

You don't think that considering he is donking a potsized bet here he is on a draw or total bluff, since in the other hand we observed him slowplay and min. raise his monster??

I did in fact fold, because I thought he was kind of fishy and would still call with Qx of clubs and other weak hands, but it's been bugging me a bit.

Donking into a pfr is a totally different dynamic than slowplaying a monster in a micro-sized pot. I don't think that hand example gives us any reliable information as far as helping us decide whether or not we should go with an unconventional line (shove flop) in this current hand.

Also, a potsized donk is very rarely a total bluff. You're trailing against his range, or to put it more accurately there's no compelling evidence to assume otherwise.

It's apples and oranges. He likely checked back the first hand because he knew that he crushed the deck and there were no threats to his lock on the hand. So he could let you have a free turn and give you the rope to hang yourself. The only thing he did wrong there was not get it all in by the river.

In this hand, the board is wet. He can't let you check behind and see a free turn card if he has a piece of it. And maybe he also took away the lesson from the previous hand (right or wrong) that you will call down with second best hands. Not saying that you did anything wrong in hand 1 but the issue here is what V may be thinking when he donks in hand 2.

Would he fold to a shove here? Perhaps. But if he doesn't, you are drawing thin. And if you think that he is bluffing here, why would you shove?

I would have shoved because he could be bluffing with weak queens and mid pp's. Good point about it being apples and oranges, didn't think about it that way at first.

Thanks guys for clearing up this spot for me, been bugging me since yesterday and feels good to know I made the right move.

I don't think a shove would be bad here based on your image. A donk bet is rarely the nuts and indicates fear. Sure you are probably behind-but not by much. Fold equity is huge here and you have outs to boot.

This isn't even a question really, just a public service announcement for isolation.

1/2, a couple limpers, totally fishy loose table, V1 shoves for 25, I pick up pocket tens. I just call, with a little bit of MUBS, not wanting to raise. V2 and V3 follow behind. Flop QJ3, I check, V2 checks, V3 goes all in for 8 more. With 100 in the pot, I call for a 2-outer. V2 calls as well, we check it down. I don't hit.

V1 had A9. V2 had JT suited, V3 had Q9.

I think it's fair to say that regardless of the results, I should've re-raised to isolate. And results-wise, I probably would've scared the other two fish off and dragged down 30 in profit rather than lost 33.

Also, man. I hope the game I was at stays this soft forever.

Yeah I've made it 75 in very similar spots before. It's even easier to do it if V2 and V3 limped before since JJ-AA are almost never in there. Guys are willing to throw their last X amount of dollars with just about anything rather than preserving it for their next bullet (or to go home with). You'll probably get the "why'd you make it so much with just tens??" comments from a lot of guys but you definitely wanna isolate there.

Speaking of 3-betting light, which people were before, I'd be quite a lot richer if, once again, I took the opportunity to 3-bet some people when I knew a particular fish was open-raising really light. (She's not even the aggressive personality type--she just "likes her hand", even though it's J8 offsuit.)

I just called one of her raises to 14 with QK, with two other callers in. I check in the dark, which is stupid, pot 60ish (a couple limp-folders on a straddle), flop KJd9d, I don't have a diamond.

Guy two to my right, who c-bets a lot when he's raised pre, but hasn't gotten too crazy, shoves all in for 170. I have him covered, but fold because who the hell is open-shoving 170 into 60 on a KJ9 flop against three opponents in a raised pot with less than two pair? Well, he was. He had T9. Frustrating but I don't see how I'm calling there. But, if I'd re-popped preflop, I could've avoided the whole situation and just taken down a decent sum.

I also had a situation where I limped AK with intention to re-raise, and it was even the fishy lady who raised, callers all around.....but I just called. Ended up losing the pot to pocket fives that didn't even hit the board.

At the end of the night, last hand, fishy lady had 19 left and declared all in blind, UTG+3. I was UTG with ATo, so I limped with intention to call her. She shoved, and got two callers, no raisers. I popped it for 120 more, because I knew I was +EV against her, and with all that potentially dead money? Have to pop it. One of the guys thought long and hard about calling, but folded. Ended up running it twice with the lady, she actually had pocket nines! Go figure. I lost the first pot, won the second. I'm so glad I popped it because otherwise, the other guy would've been in and we couldn't have run it twice. I'm also glad he didn't call, because with three all ins they don't let you run twice at my place, and I would've split the side pot with him (A2s) on a two pair board.

Straddle to $4, I'm in BB. UTG limps, CO limps, SB limps, I call two more with Q9cc in BB, straddler checks.

Flop: 2x Tx 6c

Checks all around

Turn: Jc

SB checks, I bet $13, folds to CO who ships for $37 more, folds back to me who.....?? (Pot is at $46, getting about 2.25 to 1 to call.)

Quick history on villain, he bet out OTT of a AQJT turn, called a raise, then called a big bet OTR with just A9. So I figure I have somewhere between 15-18 outs.