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02-07-2013 , 08:06 PM
oh i didnt see it was 2/5

w/o reads i really dont know

at 1/2 its pretty much anything they limped with
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02-08-2013 , 08:36 PM
2/5

Villain (about $360) - 60s female reg who limp/calls OOP with a junky range. No understanding of another player's range when he bets $30 in early position with a $200ish stack. A nice enough lady but a total drooler who doesn't understand implied odds in terms of effective stacks and especially doesn't understand RIO. Pre-flop bet-sizing tells.

Hero ($1k) - Mid-30s player who is likely viewed as tight but solid. Have shown her a double-barrel bluff for a win. Stacked her earlier by 3b from SB with AA, bet 1/2 pot on Axx board, and check-shoved her large bet on a 3-to-the-straight turn. She reluctantly called and said turn forced her hand.

Hand


One small stack limp to Villain in mid-position. Raise to $25, which places the bottom of her range at AK or maybe AQs. She's weighted heavily to premium pocket pairs. Decent deep stack who covers me calls behind her. I call in SB with 44. Limper calls.

Flop ($105) - 246r

Check. Check. Villain bets $75. Deep stack folds.

Hero?

Last edited by Schadenfred; 02-08-2013 at 08:45 PM.
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02-08-2013 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Schadenfred
2/5

Villain (about $360) - 60s female reg who limp/calls OOP with a junky range. No understanding of another player's range when he bets $30 in early position with a $200ish stack. A nice enough lady but a total drooler who doesn't understand implied odds in terms of effective stacks and especially doesn't understand RIO. Pre-flop bet-sizing tells.

Hero ($1k) - Mid-30s player who is likely viewed as tight but solid. Have shown her a double-barrel bluff for a win. Stacked her earlier by 3b from SB with AA, bet 1/2 pot on Axx board, and check-shoved her large bet on a 3-to-the-straight turn. She reluctantly called and said turn forced her hand.

Hand


One small stack limp to Villain in mid-position. Raise to $25, which places the bottom of her range at AK or maybe AQs. She's weighted heavily to premium pocket pairs. Decent deep stack who covers me calls behind her. I call in SB with 44. Limper calls.

Flop ($105) - 246r

Check. Check. Villain bets $75. Deep stack folds.

Hero?
If you flat, there is ~255 in the pot, and the villain has about 260 behind. It’s nice that we don’t need to raise to get stacks in.

What would you do with a baby overpair here? Something like 77-TT?

It seems like you can flat flop, then check again on turn. If she bets turn, get it in (if she doesn’t shove herself), if she checks back turn, you could just jam river for a PSB.
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02-08-2013 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Schadenfred
2/5

Villain (about $360) - 60s female reg who limp/calls OOP with a junky range. No understanding of another player's range when he bets $30 in early position with a $200ish stack. A nice enough lady but a total drooler who doesn't understand implied odds in terms of effective stacks and especially doesn't understand RIO. Pre-flop bet-sizing tells.

Hero ($1k) - Mid-30s player who is likely viewed as tight but solid. Have shown her a double-barrel bluff for a win. Stacked her earlier by 3b from SB with AA, bet 1/2 pot on Axx board, and check-shoved her large bet on a 3-to-the-straight turn. She reluctantly called and said turn forced her hand.

Hand


One small stack limp to Villain in mid-position. Raise to $25, which places the bottom of her range at AK or maybe AQs. She's weighted heavily to premium pocket pairs. Decent deep stack who covers me calls behind her. I call in SB with 44. Limper calls.

Flop ($105) - 246r

Check. Check. Villain bets $75. Deep stack folds.

Hero?
Does she make this $75 bet with AK or AQ? If this has to be TT+ then raise now before she can be scared off by a 3, 5, or over card (obviously a 3 or a 5 shouldn't really scare her but if she is a drooler than they might. If she rarely does this with AK or AQ I probably make it like 200 knowing she's not going to fold her over pair and then get it in on the turn.

Although I don't hate flatting I do prefer raising here when she is least likely to fold.
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02-08-2013 , 10:08 PM
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Does she make this $75 bet with AK or AQ?
Almost never.

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If she rarely does this with AK or AQ I probably make it like 200 knowing she's not going to fold her over pair and then get it in on the turn.

Although I don't hate flatting I do prefer raising here when she is least likely to fold.
200 is too awkward given her stack, no?
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02-08-2013 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Schadenfred
Almost never.



200 is too awkward given her stack, no?
vs a competent player, yes too awkward. vs a drooler, it's 125 more. She's got an over pair. I've noticed that "all in" versus raising an amount that leaves villain with a little bit often changes action. Not always, but enough that I like making it 200 so that she can't find a fold with over pair. That being said, if you think she's calling an all in on the flop with the over pair then by all means shove.
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02-09-2013 , 07:10 AM
If I'm betting more, which is something I've already thought a lot about, then I'm likely min-raising her.
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02-10-2013 , 12:58 PM
Quick sizing question:

Villain:
Decent player, but calls too wide pre flop.
Hero: Has a good image. Shown down a number of flopped sets, and nothing unusual out of the blinds. My usual open is 12-15 depending on the number of limpers. No one is paying attention to sizing I don't think.

Pre:
Hero (~260) is in MP with QQ
1 limper
Hero raises to $13
V (~120) calls on the button

Flop: ($27)
J85
Hero bets $20
V calls

Turn: ($66)
8
Hero bets $37


Bonus: What is his range on the flop after the call?
I've got to assume any top pair with a diamond Ace to 7 or so. Maybe second pair with a high diamond?
Pocket pairs 55-TT that have a diamond. Likely not two pair since with the wet board he's likely try and take it down on the flop?
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02-10-2013 , 01:18 PM
If be bet pot on flop we can jam pot on turn (pot would be 81 and he'd have 80 left). I think that's just a lot easier than getting in this spot where we have to bet an awkward amount and all that.

I think your range is pretty good except that if he's calling too wide pre flop we can add small flushes a small part of the time. I think he can have Jx with no diamond here as well.
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02-10-2013 , 06:00 PM
his range after calling flop is Jx, sets, middle pocket pairs, flushes, and AdXx/KdXx

against a more aggressive/better player, i would assign mostly a range of Jx, TT-99, big flushes, and diamond draws as I'd expect small flushes and sets to raise.
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02-10-2013 , 08:08 PM
This is admittedly a frustratingly vague question, but on boards with a flush draw where you have a medium-strength hand like top pair, how does the variable of whether you have the NFD blocker or not affect your thought process and how aggressively you choose to play the hand? For example, a board of Ad9s5s, what differs in your strategy when you have AsKh vs. AKhh? Or on Qs5d2s, AsQh vs AQhh? I realize there are many other pertinent variables such as position, initiative, and villain tendency etc, but any general insight is appreciated.
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02-10-2013 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverScurred
This is admittedly a frustratingly vague question, but on boards with a flush draw where you have a medium-strength hand like top pair, how does the variable of whether you have the NFD blocker or not affect your thought process and how aggressively you choose to play the hand? For example, a board of Ad9s5s, what differs in your strategy when you have AsKh vs. AKhh? Or on Qs5d2s, AsQh vs AQhh? I realize there are many other pertinent variables such as position, initiative, and villain tendency etc, but any general insight is appreciated.
I posted a hand a little while ago where I had AsQc and got c/r'ed on a AxTs3s flop and called. Villain bet 200 on Ks turn and I jammed for 510 total and got a fold. I don't think I would have called flop without the As knowing that barreling the turn would be a lot easier if I hit a spade. That little bit of equity tipped the scales into my mind of calling over folding on the flop, especially knowing that if a spade turns he CANNOT have the nuts.

However I got ripped apart in that thread as being results oriented and butchering the hand so take that advice with a grain of salt lol
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02-11-2013 , 10:43 AM
1/2

I open to $11 with AK
Folds around to the small blind (I was card dead for the past 1.5 hours so had a very tight image) who 3bets to $27. Effective stacks are $220. I put him on a slightly weaker range (JJ, QQ, AK, and maybe AQs) as based on his past play he seemed to have no problem raising/betting big when he was very strong.
Again, I had a very tight image, Villain's friend was sitting directly to my right (he was BB in this hand) and had made remarks previously about me folding my SB with 6 limpers, how I haven't played a hand in so long, and what not.
I flat call with the intention of using my image to steal most pots postflop.

Flop: Q96 (Pot: $56)
Villain bets $25. Hero calls. At this point I weighted his range very heavily to JJ or AK, maybe AQ. AQ I think he would have bet bigger and also not sure if that is in his PF range. He could have top set here, in which case I'm screwed, but I think that will become evident by the turn. And KK-AA is still a possibility but small. I flat again, expecting to get checked to on most turns and steal the pot.

Turn: 4 (Pot: $106)
Villain bets $32. Again, screams weakness as I don't remember the specifics but I saw him play at least two big hands where he was betting way stronger. There really isn't any reason for him to think I have KK+ as the few hands I have played I was playing them very aggressively. Also, after he bet he was sitting up attentively, whereas one hand where he had the nuts and was betting, he was sitting back watching the TV.
So considering his weakish bet sizing, hero's read, and villain's perception of hero...
Hero raises to $100.


Maybe I should have just 4bet villain pre and took it down there? Either way, with that aside...how is the turn bluff? At the time I actually thought it was spewy, but the more I think about it I think it was a pretty good move.
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02-11-2013 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverScurred
This is admittedly a frustratingly vague question, but on boards with a flush draw where you have a medium-strength hand like top pair, how does the variable of whether you have the NFD blocker or not affect your thought process and how aggressively you choose to play the hand? For example, a board of Ad9s5s, what differs in your strategy when you have AsKh vs. AKhh? Or on Qs5d2s, AsQh vs AQhh? I realize there are many other pertinent variables such as position, initiative, and villain tendency etc, but any general insight is appreciated.
While generally, we are often more likely to call with the backdoor draws, our equity might actually be less if villain would only raise with made hands that crush us and flush draws. especially when we have the nut blocker and overcard in the AQ hand. Interesting question. Will try to stove some ranges later.
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02-11-2013 , 01:43 PM
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Villain bets $32........
Hero raises to $100.
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Bluffing is so villain dependent that a strong read really helps. His small bet is either a trap or a sign of weakness. If he is any good and wants you to fold, he will bet at least half the pot since he would know that nits love to fold. In a vacuum, I suspect this will work about 1/2 time. It's nice to get JJ and TT out.
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02-11-2013 , 03:11 PM
1/2 at Turning stone

first hand of the table, so I don't have any reads on the villian yet.

V1 (CO)- Older man probably in his early 60's. not relevant to the hand

Hero (Button)- early 20's white and much younger than everyone at the table with the exception of a friend sitting UTG+2. $200

V2 (BB)- Older white guy probably late 60's. No reads on him yet. $100.

Folded to the CO who limps. I look down at QQ and make it 7 to go. SB folds. BB and CO call

$25
Flop
J104

checks to me and I bet $12 (I realize that should've been WAY bigger IMO)
BB calls and CO folds

$49
Turn:K.
BB leads for $15. he's got about $64 behind at this point. Hero?
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02-11-2013 , 03:19 PM
everything needs to be bigger

Turn easy fold
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02-11-2013 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Youngblood23
1/2 at Turning stone

first hand of the table, so I don't have any reads on the villian yet.

V1 (CO)- Older man probably in his early 60's. not relevant to the hand

Hero (Button)- early 20's white and much younger than everyone at the table with the exception of a friend sitting UTG+2. $200

V2 (BB)- Older white guy probably late 60's. No reads on him yet. $100.

Folded to the CO who limps. I look down at QQ and make it 7 to go. SB folds. BB and CO call

$25
Flop
J104

checks to me and I bet $12 (I realize that should've been WAY bigger IMO)
BB calls and CO folds

$49
Turn:K.
BB leads for $15. he's got about $64 behind at this point. Hero?
Pre flop I'd try and make it $10, maybe a bit more.
Partially so we can try and get heads up, (although 3 handed isn't too terrible) but more so that we can GET MORE MONEY IN THE POT
We have the 3rd best starting hand in poker, so lets try and profit from it.
But having said that, you would really want to bet something more along the lines of 25-30 on the flop. This is very wet flop and while you are almost certain to have the best of it right now, there are a lot of turn cards that can destroy your action, or destroy your hand.
On the turn I think this has to be a sigh and fold.
What is the villain leading out with that we are still ahead of? Is he really turning his AJ into a bluff now that the hearts have come in? I doubt it.
If you had the Qh you could think about calling to see the river since your heart might be best with another one coming, and you might have 2 outs to the straight flush, but even then it's questionable.

Tl;dr
Bigger pre, bigger flop, fold turn.
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02-11-2013 , 03:47 PM
Dodger,
You're right everything needs to be bigger and it does look like a sigh fold on the turn. I only made it 7 because 1) I was in lp and thought 7 might get it heads up and 2) I didn't know what bet size they would be calling and folding to. I prob should've made it 10-12 to go. I adjusted to that later on in the session

Would you think $20 could get the same results as 25-30?
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02-12-2013 , 05:22 AM
Hero raises to $12 with 99 in EP ... gets 3 callers. Flop is 333. Hero bets $25. Gets one caller. Turn is a 7. Hero bets $45. Gets one caller. River is a Q.

Hero?
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02-12-2013 , 07:05 AM
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Hero raises to $12 with 99 in EP ... gets 3 callers. Flop is 333. Hero bets $25. Gets one caller. Turn is a 7. Hero bets $45. Gets one caller. River is a Q.

Hero?
Kind of a meh spot, any reads on villian? If I know he wont bluff raise me i bet something small like 50 to try and target smaller pairs and ace highs.
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02-12-2013 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
Kind of a meh spot, any reads on villian? If I know he wont bluff raise me i bet something small like 50 to try and target smaller pairs and ace highs.
Yeah seemed like a bluffer. Hadn't seen one but had that appearance.

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02-12-2013 , 08:39 AM
meh, id just make the bet. Most players will be thrilled to just get to showdown with any FH, and if i hadnt seen it yet I wouldnt give it so much consideration.
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02-12-2013 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
Hero raises to $12 with 99 in EP ... gets 3 callers. Flop is 333. Hero bets $25. Gets one caller. Turn is a 7. Hero bets $45. Gets one caller. River is a Q.

Hero?
I think stacks matter here. There is about $180 in the pot and if effective stacks were $200, one or both of you has only about $120 behind. Which means that there is no room for bet/fold here and it is a shove or check. If eff stacks are deeper, then there may be room to maneuver.

I think it is very unlikely that V called two streets with a Q so the river is pretty much a blank. Can't imagine that AA-QQ is in his range with the pf, flop, and turn calls and the case 3 is pretty unlikely with your raise, unless you have seen him call pf with a very loose range. So you are behind JJ, TT, 77 (less likely due to combos) and ahead of 7x, 22, 44, 55, 66, 88 and Ax. Zeebo tells us that all of that range, other than the Ax, is always calling. We also can expect that most fish who call the first two streets on this board with Ax are not suddenly going to believe us on the river, so we probably get a lot of calls from Ax, as well.

So it looks like a value shove, if eff stacks are less than a PSB. If we are deep, then maybe a value bet of $100.
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02-12-2013 , 03:51 PM
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I think stacks matter here. There is about $180 in the pot and if effective stacks were $200, one or both of you has only about $120 behind. Which means that there is no room for bet/fold here and it is a shove or check. If eff stacks are deeper, then there may be room to maneuver.

I think it is very unlikely that V called two streets with a Q so the river is pretty much a blank. Can't imagine that AA-QQ is in his range with the pf, flop, and turn calls and the case 3 is pretty unlikely with your raise, unless you have seen him call pf with a very loose range. So you are behind JJ, TT, 77 (less likely due to combos) and ahead of 7x, 22, 44, 55, 66, 88 and Ax. Zeebo tells us that all of that range, other than the Ax, is always calling. We also can expect that most fish who call the first two streets on this board with Ax are not suddenly going to believe us on the river, so we probably get a lot of calls from Ax, as well.

So it looks like a value shove, if eff stacks are less than a PSB. If we are deep, then maybe a value bet of $100.

Eff. stacks were about $145. I wound up checking. He bet $65 and I called.
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