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I have been thinking lately about the implications of drawing with breakeven odds, both given and implied, and how they relate to our image at the table. Can any one remember a thread that discusses this?

I am thinking that if I have a winning image and am getting breakeven odds or only slightly better with little or no chance of getting paid further that it is okay to go ahead. On the other hand, if my image is loseing or missing is there any point to drawing if I am only breaking even? Reasoning being that we miss more than we hit which furthers our poor image?

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08-24-2012 , 12:31 AM

#802

eastern motors

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Originally Posted by jakedaawg

Do people really think of winning /losing for image? Try raising your draws to get an aggro image so you get paid with made hands

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08-24-2012 , 10:20 AM

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River G

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Definitely not threadworthy - just a quick easy question. I've learned with the help of this forum to play TPGK against a barrelling LAG, calling it all the way down. My question is - would a 10 be considered a "good" kicker against a LAG or Maniac? Or stick to Jack+?

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08-24-2012 , 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jakedaawg

Why would we ever fold a drawing hand if we're getting immediate breakeven odds? We're freerolling (i.e. any implied odds that we do happen to get is gravy).

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08-27-2012 , 12:43 AM

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timmay28

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Quick sanity check -

Hero has been playing TAG for an hour at this table. Has yet to showdown a hand.

Villain (mid 30's white) seems like a typical loose/passive/stationy recreational player but doesn't appear to be a total moron like most that frequent my casino.

2/5 effective stacks $650

Hero is UTG with A

and raises to $20
Villain is in MP and calls
3 more call

Flop is 9

Hero leads $70 - standard?
Villain raises to $175, rest fold

Call or shove?

Last edited by timmay28; 08-27-2012 at 12:54 AM.

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08-27-2012 , 04:07 AM

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ibelieveyouoweme$80k

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i'm such a donkey.

how often do we cripple the deck? once a week? once every few weeks?

i get pocket 10s in the small blind. call an $11 MP raise ... i'm OOP. don't feel like playing a bloated pot. woman was relatively tight. not raising a lot.

i call. ep limper calls. we go 3-ways to a flop of T22 with two diamonds.

i check. raiser bets $25. i call. EP calls. turn is a 3.

do i check again? no. do let the raiser bet again? no. do i give the diamond draw a chance to catch up? hell no.

i bet $75. fold. fold.

check you fish.

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08-27-2012 , 01:13 PM

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1/2NL...200bb eff

Hero has KTss otb, 3 limpers, I limp (bad image and zero fold equity)
Flop T82r
BB donks 4, aggro guy- UTG+2 (2nd limper pre) (who plays back at me very frequently) makes it 20...
Hero?

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08-27-2012 , 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb

I wanna raise the flop to make it look squeezy/bluffy/flush drawy...donking turn into two people is just too strong

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08-27-2012 , 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by timmay28

and raises to $20
Villain is in MP and calls
3 more call

Flop is 9

Hero leads $70 - standard?
Villain raises to $175, rest fold

Call or shove?

well passive player raises multi-way and doesn't care about people left to act has a flush...probably not the straight flush (he will slow play that), so u roughly have 7 outs, so 3:1 underdog...so fold, if u call and u hit, ur action dies, if u get it in, u r behind

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08-27-2012 , 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by playertee

I you think you're ahead of UTG+2, then call him down to the river, let him barrel away. It might be a high variance, expensive stand with 1 pair, though.

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08-27-2012 , 02:23 PM

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3 limps to me in BB, i have 73o i check.

3

($8)

EP did something fishy i can't remember, i think 2nd player is a calling station and SB came along as well she seems like a pretty standard middle aged female player that never gets out of line

SB check

what do?

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08-27-2012 , 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IhaveBTN

3 limps to me in BB, i have 73o i check.

3

casually bet 5$

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08-27-2012 , 02:41 PM

#813

IhaveBTN

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i bet $6
EP limper raises to $12
fold
fold

now what do?

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08-27-2012 , 02:43 PM

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playertee

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stacks?

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08-27-2012 , 02:47 PM

#815

IhaveBTN

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sorry, forgot that.

about $150 effective

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08-27-2012 , 02:49 PM

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Click it back to like 29...45 ott...75 otr

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08-27-2012 , 04:05 PM

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eastern motors

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Bet big three times

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08-27-2012 , 04:27 PM

#818

QuickTwist

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Originally Posted by Johnny 99

Use this thread if you have a potentially standard question, a line check, some other nonsense that is not threadworthy.

Spoiler:

Please, when answering a post, quote the hand and give your answer.

For instance:

Hi, I was in a really deep 1/2 game last night and it was full of brilliant tags who were excellent hand readers. They were a bit bluffy though. I had c. $2,000--villains covered.

PF, utg raises to $24, MP2 makes it $48 to go, CO 4 bets for $350. I look down and see 72o. What should I do here?

Great thread! Love the avatar.

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Originally Posted by playertee

Click it back to like 29...45 ott...75 otr

Theres a chance I know who you are.

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08-27-2012 , 04:46 PM

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QuickTwist

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Originally Posted by IhaveBTN

3 limps to me in BB, i have 73o i check.

3

I would check. you have the nuts at this point, wait till an A or K pop up. It is SOO unlikely someone else has 73. Wait till river, hope for somone to pick up something and sand bag or hammer or rope-a-dope (take your pick).

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08-27-2012 , 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by QuickTwist

Theres a chance I know who you are.

u started posting, good good

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08-27-2012 , 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by QuickTwist

checking will keep the pot too small, people will call 5$ with almost anything...GS, FD obv, two overs...
U wanna get as many 5s in otf as u can so u can play some poker ott and river

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08-27-2012 , 06:08 PM

#822

QuickTwist

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Originally Posted by playertee

checking will keep the pot too small, people will call 5$ with almost anything...GS, FD obv, two overs...
U wanna get as many 5s in otf as u can so u can play some poker ott and river

I'm guessing that would be the standard play?

[Edit] LOLed for real at your location.

Last edited by QuickTwist; 08-27-2012 at 06:10 PM. Reason: Just for kicks.

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08-27-2012 , 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by timmay28

and raises to $20
Villain is in MP and calls
3 more call

Flop is 9

Hero leads $70 - standard?
Villain raises to $175, rest fold

Call or shove?

Just flat IMO.

Villain is never folding OTF after that raise and I don't think we have >50% equity.

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08-27-2012 , 09:18 PM

#824

QuickTwist

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Originally Posted by The Rumor

Just flat IMO.

Villain is never folding OTF after that raise and I don't think we have >50% equity.

So no bluff on river then?

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08-27-2012 , 09:22 PM

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playertee

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Originally Posted by The Rumor

Just flat IMO.

Villain is never folding OTF after that raise and I don't think we have >50% equity.

I don't like the call...we r not getting odds and have no implied odds when we hit

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