Unless we're in LP, I fold AJo preflop.

I'm fine with our small cbet.

I would mostly check back the turn (to setup a bluffcatcher / control size of pot with what is now a very face up hand) although there are certainly arguments for betting it (there are a crapload of cards we won't be happy with on the river).

I just don't think enough people bluff in these spots against the very strong line we've taken with our obvious hand (it looks like AK and that's pretty much what we have) so they're not expecting folds. So I mostly fold unless my reads suggest I do something else.

GcluelessNLnoobB

So very few people getting out-of-line here against multiple players including the preflop raise looking to have pretty much exactly what they have here.

Gfoldingverycomfortablyunlessloltrivialstacksbehin dG

yeah, that was my take - but guy ended up having T8 and was "protecting his pair vs 3 players" he said. Plus this guy had donked out against me HU with a T on a KTX board earlier after I raised.

Just be patient; you'll get it all back plus a lot more in time from this guy.

GgoodluckG

Don't sweat it. Next time he raises flop like this you'll have a better idea where you stand.

2/5 uncapped.

Hero has $1500
New guy appears ~40 bought in for 3k about 30 minutes ago. No reads.

Hero is dealt pocket aces on the button and it is folded around to me.
I make it $20.
Villian is in the bb and pops it up to $65.
I 4bet to $190

Flop comes Q67 rainbow
$380
Villian checks, I check back.
Turn is a 5
$380
He bets iut $200
I raised to $475 and he calls.
At this much I pretty much have him range at QQ or KK
River comes a 3
$1330
Villian checks. Hero has 850 behind.
Any reason to ever not bet here?
If I bet is a jam for $850 or a $400 sizing better?

It’s gonna be harder to get called by worse on this river with four to a straight unless V understands you shouldn’t have many 4x. I’d bet small $200 or check. I guess if he’s capable of 3!/calling AQ. Then there’s KK, again a tough call AI. I think smaller is better.

They got $190 in preflop, I'm pretty sure neither of them thinks the other has a 4 here very often.

I don't know that I want to have played the turn like that, I think I'd rather either call or ship here.

Any reason to not c-bet the flop for like $150? I think I c-bet 100% in spots like this, just because there's enough out there that nobody's going to be surprised I'm fighting for it, basically.

I like both routes and dont favor one or the other. Given that this guy bought in quite deep I was weighing an equal amount towards queens and kings as no 5! Pre. even with one queen already on the board once he called my turn raise, maybe that is a mistake. I like a check sometimes as it gives ace king to take a stab at the pot out since villian is out of position.

Ended up checking river and he flipped over kings and I felt foolish for missing a min $400 more in value I could have gotten.

1/3. V is unknown rec. He recently 3! jammed $175 over a $18 open. Everyone folded. Still kinda early in session so no further reads.

Hero raises KdQs $10, four callers.

Flop ($45): Q-7-8hh. Hero bets $20. V jams $180. We cover. Folded to hero...?

Thanks,
DT

I snap. Sometimes we get shown AQ here but we beat a large amount of his range.

1/3 live. Most players at the table have about $300. Main V has about $500

Limp, I $22 AA from +1, 4-5 calls, SB makes it $125. SB is loose aggressive, squeezes wide, but is not a terrible hand reader and won’t just stack off crazy light. Folds back to me.

Does anyone click it back here or do you just shove? If I flat I expect about 1 person to flat behind but it could easily be two. If I click it back or shove I think the only one who might come along is SB.

Bet the flop. As played I call turn.

shove always. with over $200 in pot I'd be extremely happy taking it down preflop but obviously don't mind call(s).

I hate the preflop result.

Let someone else be the sheriff to find out what he's doing this with before we do so ourselves with our money, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Do we have $500 or $300?

I was hating the preflop result until we got 3bet, so I mostly always limp here. The more aggro versus nit image you have (which will increase versus decrease the amount of times you get 3bet) might play in a little, but overall I find there is just very little 3betting in most 1/3 NL games, so raising hoping to get 3bet is meh, and otherwise going eleventeen ways OOP for small percentages of our stacks sucks (imo).

If we're $300 deep, I shove. I just don't think he'll be able to fold anything having put in almost 1/2 his stack.

If we're $500 deep, more questionable. I still think a shove is fine, but a minraise is probably fine too. I think pot contains so much dead money that it ain't worth risk of getting too tricky here with a flat to invite others. Heck, even the "worse case" of taking down $230 rake free preflop is still an excellent result, so we're sorta freerolling in the results sense.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Eff the police. Tourney spot.

$1k WSOP. About 26bb eff.

Very rec player who limps 40% of hands limps in EP. He very rarely folds to raises. He does raise premiums. He has a big stack

Decent player limps behind.

Tricky/agro and possibly good player limps the button. Kind of a weird player. It's like playing a good player who is being reckless cuz the stakes are too low. He has maybe 31-2 bbs.

SB folds.

Hero BB KhJh. I consider raising but check.

KQ2 rainbow 1h. I think I have like a shade bellow the second nuts and bet 1/3 pot. Very rec and tricky aggro call.

Turn, off suit jack giving me 2pair. I bet about 40% pot. Rec calls, tricky agro 3xs the bet.

So, at this point I have about 19-20 BBs. I can shove and play for about 60 or fold. Both Vs have me covered.

Limping rec can have any piece. Raising button: Probably raises AT OTB, especially when the table fish has open limped and someone has limped behind. Almost certainly raises KQ pre. Absolutely raises KK, QQ, JJ.

Def. smart enough to know that nobody can have KK,QQ,JJ and that straights are very unlikely.

At the same time, I haven't seen anybody make that big a move late in hands.

So I think he either has 22, maybe t9 but I kind of discount that. He could have raised 9ts otb. And drawing to the non nut gutshot otf would be pretty questionable.

Sorry, I should have mentioned that I cover. My room rakes preflop! I agree that it’s mostly between clickback or jam, but this is the one big hand I would even consider flatting here so thought it was worth mentioning as well. I opted to jam.

I don’t use it often these days, but I did consider the limp reraise, and it probably would have been optimal in that game. I didn’t realize quite how wild the game was, I was pretty new to the table. I knew villain’s tendencies from a previous session.

Gross!


The more I play in my game, the more I think a raise from EP/MP is not only non-optimal, but bordering on just plain bad. Course, I have a nit image (so I'm never getting 3bet so I can 4bet), there are very few 3bets to begin with, the raise sizes are huge relative to stacks, people go stupid with small stacks against weakness (but tighten way up against strength), most pots are raised preflop (typically 2/3rds+), and multiple callers are the norm (um, just like every LLSNL game tho?).

Here's my limp/reraises from last night in my 1/3 NL game:

I limp AA in EP cuz razing is stoopid. Couple of other limps, dude jams his short $110 stack into a pot of like $13. Free money.

I limp AK in EP cuz razing is stoopid. Couple of other limps, dude razes to lol $80 with AQo into a $13 pot. I jam $340. He tank/calls. Admittedly, we're unknown to each other, but as the nittiest guy in the room I just managed to get in 113bbs preflop as a 3:1 fave. Free money (this one actually didn't work out too well and was the main reason I booked my second worst session of the year at -154bbs).

Second to last hand of the night, my chips are in a rack, I limp QQ in EP cuz razing is stoopid. Guy with half a clue makes it $20, 2 calls, I ship $220 + free rack. Raiser claims to nit folds AKo (he has half a clue, I actually think it's a perfectly acceptable fold), but a shorty with ATo calls for $100. Free money.

Obviously do whatever you want / play your own conditions / image / etc., but this is why I'm a pretty big fan of the limp/reraise strategy.

Gcluelesslimp/reraisingnoobG

Are you using your LRRs to protect weaker limps (like small pps or suited aces or whatever), or are you just 99+ and AQ and just limp all of it?

I question the profitability of small pocket pairs and Axs OOP in raisey / shortstack / high rake games, so that's not the reason (and since I'm super tight in EP/MP I don't even play these hands any more, although I once did). So yeah, I'm just 77+/ATs+/AQo+ and limp/overlimp all of it until LP when I'll typically be the one forced to raise the bigger end (although even overlimping in LP with monsters with active blinds / straddles is fine too).

I mainly just think it is way more EV to get in stacks (or huge percentages of them) preflop / making sure we get to realize our full equity by guaranteeing we see all 5 cards (or even taking down huge dead money preflop uncontested and unraked) with big hands versus seeing a raised flop multiway OOP for lol small percentages of stacks (with typically very awkward SPRs).

GimoG

2/5 Hero is effective stack with $620. Was 7 handed at time, pre could maybe be a fold.
Looking for comments on post flop line.

Hero raises to $20 in MP
CO calls
Button calls
Hero has 8d9d

Flop comes 7d10dAc
($65)
Outside straight flush draw. Seems like a perfect spot to
I check.
CO bets $40.
Button bets $40.
Hero check raises to $200.
CO calls.
($505)
Turn is a brick 2s

I checked back this this should be an insta ship here on any brick right?

Need more read on V I think, and this hand maybe deserves a thread.

Overall I'm a lot likelier to just c-bet here myself than put on a big semibluff, but I mean, V should probably fold most things worse than two pair, but doesn't actually fold AJ+ in practice, so I'd think this is a bit spewy. Yes, you have around half the equity on the flop against AJ, but if they fold diamond turns and call all others, I think you end up putting too much of the money in bad on the turn overall (obviously it's good that they call the straights, but I think you can get all the money in regardless on the good boards for you).

Your hand is pretty well disguised, I would think just peeling the flop seems more reasonable than c/r+shove turn. I'm just having a lot of trouble imagining a V holding where they want to call a sizable c/r and fold to the shove. Check obviously sucks on the turn too, so I mean, just don't put yourself in this spot from the flop and you'll be better off.

Villian in CO is a winning tag reg. Button was european guy who seemed somewhat passive, hadnt seen him play in any memorable hands in past 4 hours.

When I checked turn CO shoved. Calling seems roughl neutral EV so shoving with some fold equity added in would def be +ev, I think my line looks fairly strong and should generate some folds?

I agree with the first part. The second part not as much, especially against someone competent -- he's not putting in 1/3 of the chips to not put in the other 2/3s on a brick. I don't like the flop c/r for exactly this reason -- it might be profitable if you were all-in at that point, but given that you're not, my thought is that you are better off making your hand before shoveling the money in. You also may have been better off trying to bet/3-bet all-in on the flop to maximize leverage and equity.