mang ****ing white people with they bs is so insane they act like everyone with their skin tone starts off in the same spot they did

Hand my friend played:

2/5 ~$1500 effective.

Action game, main V is in the HJ. Raises a good amount of his range pre but is very loose passive post. He’s a bad rec who isn’t perceived to have many bluffs when big money goes in.

My friend has played with this guy a few times and is a solid pro. Will likely be perceived as solid.

CO straddle, H completes SB with 55, 3 others call including V in the HJ and we take a 5 way flop.

Pot:$50.

K52 two spades.

H$40, two recs call and then HJ calls.

Pot: 210.

Turn: 9x

H $170, call and HJ calls.

Pot:$720.

H $460, fold, HJ moves in for $1260. He then starts talking and says in a lighthearted way that he has my friend beat.

My friend thought the guy almost never has bluffs here so the question is how many worse hands does he move in with for value? Also, how much K9 would you expect him to just call with on the turn?

I think As9x could float flop, then there are the 9xss combos but I’m not sure how many of them move in.

what was the river?

We know to know the river for this one

1/2 $600 eff. home game at a party for another internet website. Kind of a lose passive game preflop. Everyone is having fun. Hundreds of jokes. But, certain people are trying to outwit each other. Basically, everyone is taking a lot of flops for fun. Then doing battle.

H: Been TAG with the jokes, but the most frequent raiser pre. Not full LAGtard, but shown up with some SCs and whathaveyou.

V is a former pro. Now very successful in other gamblings. But has only played poker occasionally in the past several years.

H: Gets KcKh otb and makes it $17 over a few limpers. Only V limp calls UTG.

Flop is evil: 78d9d.

I will bet this against >90% of 1/2 Vs. But here I check.

Turn is Ks. V checks. I bet $20 with my set. V makes it 60. I call.

River offsuit 6. V leads for 75.

My concern is that his line makes no sense whatsoever for a flopped 2p or set (check a drawy board twice then CR deep while losing to numerous combos). It doesn't make much sense as a bluff either.

Thoughts on flop, turn and river.

ES2 : Think this is a shrug call in theory, especially against a knowledgable V, but in practice I probably shrug fold. I just tend to lean towards the consensus weird lines @ LSNL = strength, even from "good" players.

Edit: Flop is "fine" in that we should have some mixed strategies vs thinking players on these boards HU, as we're basically turning our hand face up w/ a big flop bet & are very vulnerable to being raised.

Crap, river was an offsuit 9.

So K52-9-9. Front door spades miss but he thinks it’s very unlikely this is a missed flush draw. The main question is how much K9 the guy raises on turn and how much 9x he raises on river.

On one hand I hate calling these spots and the spots where it’s four flush board.

But you are not wrong here, I would suspect a good pro would bet the flop or lead turn or do something here with a flopped straight. He’s also probably sophisticated enough to realize we never have a straight here and so he can be bluffing.

just don't do this....Asian dude used to playing higher PLO

Your friend literally only loses to K9 which raises turn at some frequency. I'm calling and I play it the same way

He has 22, 9xss, all missed draws otr

easy call IMO

Even if we assume V calls with all his K9 offsuits preflop, that's only 6 combos total. Let's also throw in 1 combo of 99 so we're losing to 7 combos.

Meanwhile we beat 3 combos of 22 plus some significant handful of Xs9s (at least A9ss, Q9ss, J9ss, T9ss). Even though we've bet the whole way our hand is still slightly under-repped and V may put us on a hand as weak as top pair or 2 pair hands.

We beat a significant chunk of his value range --> have to call even if we think V is massively under-bluffing here.

Hi all,

2/5. Hero playing $500, V covers. V is middle-aged/older BG who used to play 1/3 but has moved up. He gets stacked for hundreds of BBs calling raises with hands like A3 on J-3-3 against JJ, for example, or Qxcc against a better flush. He probably considers these coolers even though he is just calling too wide pre. At 1/3 he wasn't really punished for this because the player pool is worse, but it's catching up to him at 2/5.

A couple limps to hero on BTN with 75cc and hero overlimps. SB completes, V/BB checks.

Flop ($25): 6c-8s-9s. SB bets $5, BB raises to $40, folded to hero who bumps it up to $225, folds back to BB who jams, hero calls.

Standard?

Thanks,
DT

I must say it'd take a special circumstance for me to fold A3 on J33

of course Villain can have 10 7 here, but he can also have sets, two pairs and then a whole load of flush draws and pair + draw hands that might play this the same

you can't slow play this and you can't get off the train once it's started

Against a pfr who 4! jams river over your river raise to $225 for $700? I think you could find a fold.

well that's a totally different scenario, because there are two more cards along with action to consider but I play in games where people go ****ing nuts with non nut trips and overcards so my point is probably still acccurate

2/5. V (loose passive) limps CO, hero BTN $25 QTss, V calls. $700 effective. Hero has tight image, although tonight he has been 3! squeezing a lot (with premiums). Last showdown for hero was KK in AI pre situation, so solid image.

Flop ($43): 9c-7c-2s. V checks, hero $30. V calls.

Turn ($103): 4s. V checks, hero $60, V calls.

River ($223): Td. V checks, hero checks.

Thanks,
DT

I think the 75cc hand may warrant a thread, I guess the bottom line question is how broke do you go without the nuts though which is not quite threadworthy in and of itself. I agree with feel wrath -- after raising you can't fold, but if you don't want to get broke with #2 then just call the flop and keep the pot a manageable size.

I saw this in your blog thread -- I think you have a valuebet on the river against a variety of T8/JT/98/A9/78 whatever V shows up with here.

A lot of the time V will fold because they missed clubs, and some small portion of the time they may c/r if they have T9 or managed to trap you with a set (although I can't imagine from everything you've posted that there's a V alive who would check to you three times with a set). I personally would rather not show down that I isolated a fish with QTs if I can avoid it though, I prefer to keep my image clean.

I bet $125.

^yeah, this is definitely a value bet OTR. You hit your ideal card and it’s not bad if V folds either. I like around $100.

I like betting since both flush draws bricked and V is going to look you up more.

Month 3 coming back to poker is at the end.

+1550 over 56 hours. $28/h or just under 10bb/h. Really felt like I ran under ev this month even though it was my best. Lost 3 sets, couple over flushes, lost AA, KK to under pairs.

Month 1 & 2 were similar to each other. 45~ hours played, +850 per month so about $3200 made in 150 hours. Should I start trying 2/5 games yet?

wrong thread

Re: 2/5 -- I think the general consensus is start taking shots around $10K bankroll if you think the game looks soft and you're feeling good/ready to play your A game that night.

A 10k BR is only enough for 2/5 if BR is a moot point. Like, if you have a decent job and this is just some little side experiment and losing the 10k doesn't matter at all.

Or if you're just something of a risk taker.

I like a smaller bet OTF. Gets job done against all whiffed over cards. There are tons of great turns for us. We have something like JT in real bad shape. In other words, there aren't a lot of hands we need to push hard to get out. Secondarily, we want to keep things managable if we get CRed. We have a very good, but not monster draw.


On the turn, I'd likely either size up or check. It was a complete blank. So, you are trying to get him to fold like a 7, 66 or you just take your free card against a pair. You could be setting up a 3x bluff, but then you could also check and bluff an A or K otr when you miss. And you have >0 showdown. Actually, you figure to have the best hand fairly often. (low clubs, j9,j8,t8)

River: bet! If he folds a decent pair here, I guess that 3x bluff would work a lot. I would make a smaller, please call me bet in game. Also this is the lowest variance play. I can see the case for a medium bet, or a big bet though (we rep a bluff and beat nearly all hero calls).

Not only did clubs miss, and he might just be calling you down with a pair. But he rivered top pair with JT and 8t.