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Old 03-25-2019, 11:02 AM   #6876
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Unless we've seen light 3bets from him, I'm just folding here.

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Old 03-25-2019, 12:28 PM   #6877
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

How tight is your iso from the blinds in limped pots? Say for instance 3-5 limps to us in the SB. KJs/QJs/KTs, 99, AJo. These kind of good but not quite premium hands. Seems a little passive to just complete but at the same time if we iso 8-12x and get 2-4 callers it might be a complete torch. It's a spot I'm thinking about just playing very tight pre and only iso premiums for very large sizings. Opinions?
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:47 PM   #6878
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I play extremely tight regarding raising from the blinds, typically defaulting to AK/AQs/TT+ with a shortish stack and getting even tighter as stacks get bigger (where I'll mostly be OOP to multiple opponents with significant stacks still behind).

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Old 03-25-2019, 02:19 PM   #6879
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Weird spot. 1-2. H($600) always seems to have FOS image because I'm in my mid 20s and usually have a big stack. V in HJ ($120) is a dealer at another casino, definitely not a nit but I haven't really seen him get out line. Seems like a weak player/scared money.

Folds to me I raise 88 to $10 in the LJ. V in HJ says "make it $100" leaving himself $20 behind. Wtf? What hands would he do this with? I felt like he would do this with AK, AQs.... maybe TT or JJ. I can't really see him doing this with QQ+.

I say "You really don't want action, huh?" He looks at me and mumbles "I'm going home either way." I couldn't understand his mumbling and said "What?" and he repeats himself. Looks uncomfortable for what its worth.....
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:24 PM   #6880
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Hand 1
9 players - Blinds $5/5

Setup
MP - Hero($1200) [A♣︎J♣︎]
HJ ($545 - 109BB)

Preflop (Pot size: 10)
SB posts small blind $5
BB posts big blind $5
Hero MP bets $30
HJ calls $30
SB calls $25

Flop (Pot size: 95) [A♦︎T♣︎9♣︎]
SB checks
Hero bets $35
HJ calls $35
SB folds

Turn (Pot size: 165) [7♠︎]
Hero bets $100
HJ is allin $480
Hero ?
Bad card to barrel. While you have an incredibly strong hand with redraw.In terms of immediate hand strength it improves him far more often then it does you.

Check this turn always unless you have a set.

That turn completes straights and many many two pairs.


A good card to barrel instead would be any K/Q/2/3/4/5/6/

We should never be scared of any k/q/ villain shouldn't have AQ or AK very often if ever. and we block the gutshots.

The rest are just bricks.




Most tough spots people get into is trying to set up these three street value situations with two street hands.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:36 PM   #6881
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1/3 ~$300 effective stacks

V: reg who is pretty decent. He is more aggressive than most players. He does have a fold button, however, and maybe even tends to overfold a bit.

I know he thinks I’m tight. He has made some big folds to me before

H: younger guy. Very good image. Playing pretty snug overall only showing down winners haven’t had to show any bluffs

OTTH: limps to me in the HJ I raise AQ off to 12 cutoff cold calls v makes it 40

Folds back to me and I decide to 4 bet bluff here to 140 just based on pure blockers and I think he’s capable of squeezing here.

Idk what’s more profitable though... trying to 4 bet bluff or just call OOP with AQ
Is he positionally aware and therefore capable of 3! lighter here given your HJ opening range should be wider? If so, call. If not, fold. No need to 4! "bluff."

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Old 03-25-2019, 03:39 PM   #6882
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I play extremely tight regarding raising from the blinds, typically defaulting to AK/AQs/TT+ with a shortish stack and getting even tighter as stacks get bigger (where I'll mostly be OOP to multiple opponents with significant stacks still behind).

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Why tighter as stacks get bigger? If it's limped to me in BB and I have 77+, AJs+, I am putting in a hefty raise and playing post-flop appropriately to the flop/number of Vs, stack sizes, etc. Easy game! Plus, typically when the BB raises large, people perceive tons of strength (QQ+) since most Vs are only raising monsters out of the BB and limpers will be more likely to fold.
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:08 PM   #6883
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Why tighter as stacks get bigger? If it's limped to me in BB and I have 77+, AJs+, I am putting in a hefty raise and playing post-flop appropriately to the flop/number of Vs, stack sizes, etc. Easy game! Plus, typically when the BB raises large, people perceive tons of strength (QQ+) since most Vs are only raising monsters out of the BB and limpers will be more likely to fold.
It really depends if you're getting folds or not. In my game when stacks get deep, preflop raises don't get folds, so all you do is end up OOP in multiway pots where there can be some non-ABC players involved deep; no thanks. If it gets you HU against a fit/fold ABC guy, sure.

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Old 03-25-2019, 06:01 PM   #6884
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It really depends if you're getting folds or not. In my game when stacks get deep, preflop raises don't get folds, so all you do is end up OOP in multiway pots where there can be some non-ABC players involved deep; no thanks. If it gets you HU against a fit/fold ABC guy, sure.

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If you are raising only nut-potential hands, playing OOP in a bloated pot isnít as as much of a problem.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:54 AM   #6885
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Hero is on button at 2/5, stack is 400.
Utg raises to 35. 1 caller. Given fact read on villian is he is only raising very tight pre I flat.
Flop kj10r $110.

Utg bets 60 and mp folds.
Raise here or flat and jam safe turn?

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Old 03-26-2019, 11:11 AM   #6886
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If you are raising only nut-potential hands, playing OOP in a bloated pot isnít as as much of a problem.
So we're only continuing postflop if we flop the nuts / draw to the nuts? We're going to enable far too many big bloated pots to be stolen from us if that's the case (unless our opponents are all ABC and don't attempt to steal pots in position).

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Old 03-26-2019, 09:02 PM   #6887
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Has anyone tried the strategy laid out in Jonathan littles book "strategies for beating small stakes cash games"?

It has some interesting differences compared to what is frequently discussed here.
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Old 03-26-2019, 10:32 PM   #6888
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Has anyone tried the strategy laid out in Jonathan littles book "strategies for beating small stakes cash games"?

It has some interesting differences compared to what is frequently discussed here.
Like what?
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Old 03-27-2019, 07:24 AM   #6889
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Like what?
The two main differences I see so far are
1) he recommends raising just under a psb pre. So to $6 or so in a 1/2 game when it's folded to you.
2) also his range is much wider than other info I see. He does have a disclaimer that he is wanting to get you to mix it up more in order to improve your post flop play, which will help you in higher/tougher games.

Generally advice I see here is to raise bigger pre to cut the field to 1 or 2 callers. He basically says more callers is good as it means there are more people at your table with big leaks. But to not fall into the habit of raising bigger just be happy you are at such a soft table.

The other advice here is constantly "fold pre" I know many times it's said as a joke, but it also has merit many times.
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Old 03-27-2019, 10:57 AM   #6890
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I haven't read his book, but I think the general idea of raising very small to create high SPR multiway pots has some merit; it's almost an attempt to play deepstack poker when not terribly deepstacked. At the very least, I think it's potentially a better idea than the result of most threads posted here ("I raz a TP hand, we go 5ways to an SPR 3.5 pot"). Having said that, if you can raise an amount that gets in huge percentages of stacks to get to very comfortable postflop commitment spots, then that's fine too.

In many ways, my strategy of limping up front is basically the same idea (just think of it as the smallest raise you can make).

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Old 03-27-2019, 03:12 PM   #6891
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The two main differences I see so far are
1) he recommends raising just under a psb pre. So to $6 or so in a 1/2 game when it's folded to you.
2) also his range is much wider than other info I see. He does have a disclaimer that he is wanting to get you to mix it up more in order to improve your post flop play, which will help you in higher/tougher games.

Generally advice I see here is to raise bigger pre to cut the field to 1 or 2 callers. He basically says more callers is good as it means there are more people at your table with big leaks. But to not fall into the habit of raising bigger just be happy you are at such a soft table.

The other advice here is constantly "fold pre" I know many times it's said as a joke, but it also has merit many times.
I think with hands that do well multiway, this advice has merit. With big PPs that would rather go up against one or two callers, I think it's less useful, especially for a beginner who may not know when to fold an OP.
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:17 AM   #6892
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Most tough spots people get into is trying to set up these three street value situations with two street hands.
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:25 AM   #6893
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9 players - Blinds $5/5

Setup
Effective $945
SB Hero [Q♥︎Q♦︎]

Preflop (Pot size: 10)
MP bets $25
SB raises $110
MP calls $85

Flop (Pot size: 225) [T♣︎6♣︎3♠︎]
SB bets $125
MP raises $800
Hero ?

MP has been playin pretty snug. Not a good player but will occasionally call or limp call. In one hand he called a raise, called a turn bet and bet into 2 payers when checked to with top pair and weak kicker when there were possible straights. He lost to a set. Such a big raise seems suspect. I doubt he does it with a set. He has all the flush draws. Maybe over pairs should I call here ?

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Old 03-28-2019, 11:29 AM   #6894
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I mean, obviously? If he's bad, you're way ahead unless he's a total nit, but he's not based on your description. If he's somehow good despite your description, then he knows this flop favors his range and he'll have a lot of bluff combos on wet boards. I can't see folding here ever. Also, I might bet a bit bigger on the flop, but it's not like a big deal.
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Old 03-28-2019, 02:25 PM   #6895
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Yeah, he is not a total nit. I called and he had TT. Agree With bigger bet to give less implied odds.
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Old 03-29-2019, 03:47 PM   #6896
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1/3. V is tight young WG, grinder with headphones. Eff. $450.

Hero raises UTG $15 AQo. Three callers.

Flop ($60): Q-5-6r. Hero bets $30, V calls.

Turn ($120): J. Hero check/calls $55.

River ($230): 2. Hero checks. V bets $135....
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Old 03-29-2019, 04:40 PM   #6897
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1/3. V is tight young WG, grinder with headphones. Eff. $450.

Hero raises UTG $15 AQo. Three callers.

Flop ($60): Q-5-6r. Hero bets $30, V calls.

Turn ($120): J. Hero check/calls $55.

River ($230): 2. Hero checks. V bets $135....
I find preflop result meh and standard, so I lean to doing something different, although AQo can obviously be played a zillion different ways... all likely wrong.

I might check this dryish flop OOP. If betting I might bet slightly less.

Think we mostly have to find an exit point, either on turn (which most will find too nitty) or certainly by river against most opponents. Not a lot of busted draws for him to be bluffing and we're only ahead of a thinnish KQ value bet (which most opponents happily check back, although maybe not this guy who is probably all about thin value).

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Old 03-29-2019, 10:36 PM   #6898
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Looks good, fold river. Feel like he bets more with bluffs like 87s and I think he checks back KQ. Just the possibility of AQ isn't enough to call. Calling is OK if you feel like he can have bluffs in his range.
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Old 03-31-2019, 12:37 PM   #6899
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H image tight passive (check folded a 3! pot before after 3!), first hand against V. No reads except that he isn't completely clueless.

240 EFF. Hero QQ SB, utg rec raise 15 we 45, fish in bb cold calls, rec calls. Flop 66K, we cbet 65, fish folds, rec calls. Turn 2h. H shoves 130, V tank folds **, mutters something about aces

Standard or spew? I had a very good feeling that I wasn't winning at showdown and that if I checked turn, I wouldn't get to showdown.
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Old 03-31-2019, 01:50 PM   #6900
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I 3! bigger pre for sure. 55 or 60. OOP with a hand that prefers a small spr.

I probably x/f flop here three handed. Most villains at these stakes don't have the balls to bet a made hand that's behind yours, flop is pretty dry, and usually play very face up in 3! pots. Go ahead and lead non-ace turns if it checks through.

I think turning this hand into a bluff makes no sense in a vacuum, but if you Hellmuth'd villain and felt a bet/bet line would get him to fold a K that he foolishly checked flop with, then way to go.
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