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03-19-2019 , 03:27 PM
I've somewhat tweaked my thinking on playing Axs in position against obvious dominating hands raising from EP, in that I know I'm not going to get myself into too much trouble postflop (if raiser continues multiway trivial fold with TP). But we still need some more guaranteed callers in the pot to likely make it profitable (and we don't have that guarantee here although it worked out well).

I certainly understand feeling frisky to the small bet. I just think we can likely get away with it for cheaper by just floating in position and seeing what happens.

GimoG
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03-19-2019 , 03:42 PM
1/2 - 2 quick line checks

Starting to play regularly again and realizing I may in fact suck. These are similar spots in that I flop huge and fold out multiple opponents. Feedback appreciated.

Hand 1 - very early in session, no reads

OMC in MP opens to 10. Hero calls in LP with KsQs. Folds to BB, who calls. Pot $31.

Flop: K Q X hh

BB checks, OMC bets $23. Hero raises $65. Fold, fold.


Hand 2 - V1 is loose and bad. Has run up a decent stack by playing 80% of hands and winning big pots. V2 seems to be close friends with V1 but they've played pots against each other. Also plays lots of pots but not as much as V1. V3 is a standard MAWG, fairly TAG.

Hero is UTG, raises to $10 w/ AcTc. V1, V2, V3 all call. Pot $43.

Flop: 10h 9s 10s

Hero checks. V1 bets $20. V2 calls, V3 calls. I raise to $125. fold, fold, fold.
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03-19-2019 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosines11
1/2 - 2 quick line checks

Starting to play regularly again and realizing I may in fact suck. These are similar spots in that I flop huge and fold out multiple opponents. Feedback appreciated.

Hand 1 - very early in session, no reads

OMC in MP opens to 10. Hero calls in LP with KsQs. Folds to BB, who calls. Pot $31.

Flop: K Q X hh

BB checks, OMC bets $23. Hero raises $65. Fold, fold.


Hand 2 - V1 is loose and bad. Has run up a decent stack by playing 80% of hands and winning big pots. V2 seems to be close friends with V1 but they've played pots against each other. Also plays lots of pots but not as much as V1. V3 is a standard MAWG, fairly TAG.

Hero is UTG, raises to $10 w/ AcTc. V1, V2, V3 all call. Pot $43.

Flop: 10h 9s 10s

Hero checks. V1 bets $20. V2 calls, V3 calls. I raise to $125. fold, fold, fold.
Hand 1 seems standard, and hand 2 would be pretty much how I play it. I may c/r to a slightly smaller size like $90 or $100 depending on how deep stacks are, but I'm nitpicking here.

I like the check on the flop in hand 2 since TT9 board hits the callers more, but in this rare instance you do have one of your best tens and raising denies equity to flush and straight draws.
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03-19-2019 , 06:19 PM
Hero has 3! 3 times in the past two orbits with AA, AA, AKcc and taken it down without showing on the flop each time with CBets so I could be seen as pretty agro though I did make a comment of “how the cards play themselves sometimes”.

Villain is a middle aged white guy that sat down 30 minutes ago. The only thing I noticed from him was that he called down a 3 barreled bluff from someone when flopping top pair for a winner on a 4 card to a flush board (he didn’t have a flush).

OTTH:
1/2. Hero is effective stack with $750ish.

I straddle from the button. About half the table had been doing so.

SB calls $5
Villain UTG+1 calls $5
C/O calls $5
Hero: KJhh to $25
All call

Flop: Ah 10h 2c ($102)

SB checks
Villain bets $102
C/O folds
SB folds out of turn.

Hero?

Last edited by 00cooler00; 03-19-2019 at 06:20 PM. Reason: Not sure if I was overthinking something here but playing 300bb+ deep I wasn’t sure.
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03-19-2019 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Does this work enough though? I find a lot of times even though people are putting in like lol 95% of their stack they are perfectly fine still leaving the 5% behind instead of shoving it in themselves (so we miss value, especially if they are willing to call of the rest of it).

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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Often enough? No. In this specific situation where he is described as someone who shoves in the rest of his money post flop that we take note of it while he's short stacked, I think it's a reasonable option.
Yeah, but I'd only seen that when he started the hand with less than $100. He started this one with like $165, and still had over 100 left. Maybe could have tried it, though.

Results:
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hero raises to $150, which was just over V2's stack. Both folded.
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03-19-2019 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 00cooler00
Hero has 3! 3 times in the past two orbits with AA, AA, AKcc and taken it down without showing on the flop each time with CBets so I could be seen as pretty agro though I did make a comment of “how the cards play themselves sometimes”.

Villain is a middle aged white guy that sat down 30 minutes ago. The only thing I noticed from him was that he called down a 3 barreled bluff from someone when flopping top pair for a winner on a 4 card to a flush board (he didn’t have a flush).

OTTH:
1/2. Hero is effective stack with $750ish.

I straddle from the button. About half the table had been doing so.

SB calls $5
Villain UTG+1 calls $5
C/O calls $5
Hero: KJhh to $25
All call

Flop: Ah 10h 2c ($102)

SB checks
Villain bets $102
C/O folds
SB folds out of turn.

Hero?
Is there any royal flush bonus at this cardroom? How about a high hand promo? If there are both of these I'm more inclined to call.

I think call here is standard, although a raise isn't terrible and it certainly makes sense although when he bets pot into you I'm more inclined to play more of my range as a call. Raising to like $250-300 is doable it's just the higher variance play and I don't think you're getting too many folds out of it.
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03-20-2019 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Yeah, but I'd only seen that when he started the hand with less than $100. He started this one with like $165, and still had over 100 left. Maybe could have tried it, though.

Results:
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hero raises to $150, which was just over V2's stack. Both folded.
I think iraisetoomuch makes a good suggestion, but $150 seems totally in line with what I would be going with here as well. Too bad you didn’t get the iso shorty call.
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03-20-2019 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperGlue
Is there any royal flush bonus at this cardroom? How about a high hand promo? If there are both of these I'm more inclined to call.

it.

There was a $500 royal and $500 high hand bonus so that factored into it a little. I just shipped it all on the flop after thinking for a bit and he called off what he had left.

I was trying to see if there was a fold I could make because of who he was but I decided to go with it.

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turn was red 10 (no royal). River was 2. He flipped 22 for quads
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03-21-2019 , 10:59 AM
Hero is btn w/ AJs in a 1/2 game

2 limpers hero makes it $15, bb 3! To $50 ($450 effective) folds to hero.

BB is a very solid tag and probably sees hero as good/ competent, but probably nothing super impressive.

How bad is folding here this deep ip?
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03-21-2019 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperGlue
Hand 1 seems standard, and hand 2 would be pretty much how I play it. I may c/r to a slightly smaller size like $90 or $100 depending on how deep stacks are, but I'm nitpicking here.

I like the check on the flop in hand 2 since TT9 board hits the callers more, but in this rare instance you do have one of your best tens and raising denies equity to flush and straight draws.
thanks for the feedback. Will include stack sizes next time too, as that was relevant for H2.
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03-22-2019 , 04:30 AM
300 EFF

UTG reg fish straddles, Hero $20 UTG+1 TT red, Passive fish calls button, straddle calls.

Flop: Ks9c7c UTG checks, Buttonfish is giving me the staredown, Hero...?

How do we play this spot vs other player types (nits, TAGs, LAGs)?
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03-22-2019 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by UrbanLemming
300 EFF

UTG reg fish straddles, Hero $20 UTG+1 TT red, Passive fish calls button, straddle calls.

Flop: Ks9c7c UTG checks, Buttonfish is giving me the staredown, Hero...?

How do we play this spot vs other player types (nits, TAGs, LAGs)?
staredowns are usually a sign a weakness and means they don't want you to bet

Betting flop 1/2p - 3/4p for protection / value
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03-22-2019 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by KID777777
staredowns are usually a sign a weakness and means they don't want you to bet
Yep. I think it means he likely doesn't have a king, but he's interested.

Quote:
Betting flop 1/2p - 3/4p for protection / value
Isn't this too big? Building a large pot here doesn't seem great. We could already be crushed, half the deck are scare cards, our equity is not great when called, a sticky opponent is showing interest behind us, another sticky opponent in there too.

I usually bet like 1/3 pot when I can get away with it (villians not going to play back at me) because I feel we need to get called wide to not be value owning, can maybe get AJ,QJ,JT to fold (but maybe fish call with those hands anyway!). Otherwise I usually check, see when opponents do, mostly going for the delayed c bet on favorable turn cards if checked to.
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03-22-2019 , 07:31 AM
The issue is you'll be giving direct odds for V to correctly call his flush/srt8 draws. I mean the read is that he is passive so it's an easy b/f
If the board was drier vs this villain I could understand a small bet or check otf
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03-22-2019 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
Hero is btn w/ AJs in a 1/2 game



2 limpers hero makes it $15, bb 3! To $50 ($450 effective) folds to hero.



BB is a very solid tag and probably sees hero as good/ competent, but probably nothing super impressive.



How bad is folding here this deep ip?
I like a fold here. I don't mind defending wider against competent villains here. But I'd rather do it with better hands(obv) and hands that play well IP without all the RIO risk. For example, I might have some suited connectors or medium pairs in my defend range rather than AJs.
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03-22-2019 , 04:29 PM
Hand 1
9 players - Blinds $5/5

Setup
MP - Hero($1200) [A♣︎J♣︎]
HJ ($545 - 109BB)

Preflop (Pot size: 10)
SB posts small blind $5
BB posts big blind $5
Hero MP bets $30
HJ calls $30
SB calls $25

Flop (Pot size: 95) [A♦︎T♣︎9♣︎]
SB checks
Hero bets $35
HJ calls $35
SB folds

Turn (Pot size: 165) [7♠︎]
Hero bets $100
HJ is allin $480
Hero ?

Villain in HJ just came from a tournament. He is a Persian guy in his 60s. He has been making some tournament style plays calling off or shoving (though with smaller stack) light with middle or weak pairs.

- On the flop I bet small since I also have the NFD. If I didn't I would bet bigger. Should I always bet the same size?

- On the turn, I usually prefer a b/f strategy but with NFD and gutshot is this a call? Should I have bet smaller or checked turn ? I felt I could get value from weaker Aces and draws.

I am getting 33.8% pot odds. If I include a range of all possible two pairs, sets, made straights and 1 flush draw (TT-99, 77, AT-A9, A7, J8, T9, T7, 86, 87cc), I get 32.2% equity. If I add 98 I just about get a little over 34% equity. So with some other random spazz is this a crying call?

Hand 2

9 players - Blinds $5/5

Setup
UTG+1 - Hero ($1000) [A♥︎K♥︎]
UTG+2 - ($180)
HJ - ($800)

Preflop (Pot size: 10)
SB posts small blind $5
BB posts big blind $5
UTG bets $20
Hero raises $80
UTG+2 calls $80
HJ calls $80
UTG folds

Flop (Pot size: 270) [T♥︎7♠︎5♦︎]
Hero ?

UTG+2 is the same villain as in Hand 1. HJ just doubled up after limp shoving with AKs. He has been limping/calling with smaller pocket pairs. Very few raises/opens as far as I can remember till that hand.

- With two cold calls should I just give up? When they cold call they could have pairs from 88-QQ and AQ+ (and maybe some suited broadways?). It doesn't help that UTG+2 is short stacked.

- What if UTG+2 checks and HJ leads? Can I call? If so what bet size can I call?
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03-22-2019 , 06:13 PM
H1 vs a middle-aged Persian is a snap call, imo. He has a lot of worse club draws in his range, some of them with a 7c or an 8c to give him a pair and/or SD to go with his FD.

H2, I would c-bet for UTG+2's stack, and not put any more chips into the pot if called or raised by HJ.
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03-22-2019 , 09:52 PM
5/5 with 10 straddle, $1500 eff

Hero with QTss in SB
UTG1 limp
MP1 (young Asian female LAG) ^50
BTN (Euro pro) call
Hero 3b ^255
Both call

Flop (765): Ad 9h 4d
Checks around

Turn: Jd
Hero?

Can I bet 1/2 pot here, or is my range too capped to stab here?
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03-22-2019 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
5/5 with 10 straddle, $1500 eff

Hero with QTss in SB
UTG1 limp
MP1 (young Asian female LAG) ^50
BTN (Euro pro) call
Hero 3b ^255
Both call

Flop (765): Ad 9h 4d
Checks around

Turn: Jd
Hero?

Can I bet 1/2 pot here, or is my range too capped to stab here?
I really don’t like the 3! pre and I think a 1/2 pot stab is just leaking more money here.
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03-23-2019 , 12:03 AM
2/5. Hero should have tight image. Folds to hero in MP1 and opens to $15 with T8hh. MP3, BTN, SB, and BB call. Hero is playing $600, BTN covers.

Flop ($75): Kh-6h-9h. Hero bets $50. BTN (older Caucasian man) asks “how much?” and calls. Rest fold. Turn ($160): 9s. Hero check/calls $75. River ($310): 5s. Hero check/calls $175. Ok?
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03-24-2019 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
2/5. Hero should have tight image. Folds to hero in MP1 and opens to $15 with T8hh. MP3, BTN, SB, and BB call. Hero is playing $600, BTN covers.

Flop ($75): Kh-6h-9h. Hero bets $50. BTN (older Caucasian man) asks “how much?” and calls. Rest fold. Turn ($160): 9s. Hero check/calls $75. River ($310): 5s. Hero check/calls $175. Ok?
Stack sizes?

Why not continue betting turn or raising turn.
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03-24-2019 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
2/5. Hero should have tight image. Folds to hero in MP1 and opens to $15 with T8hh. MP3, BTN, SB, and BB call. Hero is playing $600, BTN covers.

Flop ($75): Kh-6h-9h. Hero bets $50. BTN (older Caucasian man) asks “how much?” and calls. Rest fold. Turn ($160): 9s. Hero check/calls $75. River ($310): 5s. Hero check/calls $175. Ok?
Do you think Villain would call a 2/3 pot bet with just a 9 ? If so then I think a call is fine. Else I can only see villain betting the river with a flush or a full house. He is checking all hands with a just a K.
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03-24-2019 , 10:29 PM
Ah9x maybe
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03-25-2019 , 04:59 AM
1/3 ~$300 effective stacks

V: reg who is pretty decent. He is more aggressive than most players. He does have a fold button, however, and maybe even tends to overfold a bit.

I know he thinks I’m tight. He has made some big folds to me before

H: younger guy. Very good image. Playing pretty snug overall only showing down winners haven’t had to show any bluffs

OTTH: limps to me in the HJ I raise AQ off to 12 cutoff cold calls v makes it 40

Folds back to me and I decide to 4 bet bluff here to 140 just based on pure blockers and I think he’s capable of squeezing here.

Idk what’s more profitable though... trying to 4 bet bluff or just call OOP with AQ
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03-25-2019 , 06:02 AM
Yeah never calling OOP here, if you did 4b here I'm not sure about sizing since you're forced to 4b/call with these stack sizes
Tbh I think it's a fold given your tight image
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