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03-11-2019 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
2/5. Hero raises AhAs BTN over a limper to $35, BB and limper call. Limper is older gentleman who can be fairly loose pre. Hero eff. $375.

Flop ($105): 3-4-5ddd. Limper donks $50, hero calls, BB folds. Turn ($205): 7s. Limper checks, hero bets $75, limper calls. River ($355): Js. Limper checks. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
Not too sure about betting turn there. Definitely checking river. V could be as strong as a set here and I'm not sure what we're targeting for value.

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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
5/5, 500eff
UTG^30, I call with 77, BB calls
Flop: 633r
UTG bet 35, me and BB call
Turn: 8cc
Checks to me- straightforward bet for protection/value against 2overs, FD/SD, 6x? Or check to play rivers?

5/5, 500eff
UTG limp, CO ^30, Hero with 97hh?
Call fold or 3b here? CO pretty straightforward TAG, blinds passive
H1, like Quantum said, could go either way. Slightly prefer betting.

H2 just fold. Flat's reasonable as well with passive blinds/limpers. Don't like 3bet.
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03-11-2019 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV

H2 just fold. Flat's reasonable as well with passive blinds/limpers. Don't like 3bet.
I like 3b better than calling, we don't want to see a flop multi way with this hand. Hu it will play much better. Why do you say call > 3b?
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03-11-2019 , 09:37 PM
Anyone have quick way to think about this kind of a spot?

2/5
Fish opens to $15, super deep-stack (2.5k or 500bb) V 3bets to $45

Folds to H (2k or 400bb) on the button with 55, calls. Table is not very aggro so 4b squeeze is unlikely, I feel good about this what how should I think about the threshold in which I wouldn't do this IP? ~300bb?
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03-11-2019 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
2/5. Hero raises AhAs BTN over a limper to $35, BB and limper call. Limper is older gentleman who can be fairly loose pre. Hero eff. $375.

Flop ($105): 3-4-5ddd. Limper donks $50, hero calls, BB folds. Turn ($205): 7s. Limper checks, hero bets $75, limper calls. River ($355): Js. Limper checks. Hero?

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DT


Raise flop lead? So many turn cards we don’t want to see
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03-11-2019 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
I like 3b better than calling, we don't want to see a flop multi way with this hand. Hu it will play much better. Why do you say call > 3b?
The raise size is large, which means that by the time we make a reasonably-sized threebet we're starting to bump up against the limits of stack size. The pot will be over 200 pre with 400 stacks remaining. Bet/bet/bet is not really a possible line there, which is a problem for a hand which doesn't have a lot of showdown value. Even then, threebetting is OK in isolation, but we can't threebet every hand of this type or we'll have too many threebets. I'd rather threebet something with some blockers.

I agree generally about this sort of hand playing better HU, but this isn't a 6-handed pot where we're calling out of the blinds or something. Definitely calling with the intent of using position/aggression to win fairly frequently.
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03-11-2019 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fishsoup
Anyone have quick way to think about this kind of a spot?

2/5
Fish opens to $15, super deep-stack (2.5k or 500bb) V 3bets to $45

Folds to H (2k or 400bb) on the button with 55, calls. Table is not very aggro so 4b squeeze is unlikely, I feel good about this what how should I think about the threshold in which I wouldn't do this IP? ~300bb?
I think it depends on the skill level of the opponents. I could see myself set mining vs maniacs, but I don't think 22-66 works as a call vs stronger competition.
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03-12-2019 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
The raise size is large, which means that by the time we make a reasonably-sized threebet we're starting to bump up against the limits of stack size. The pot will be over 200 pre with 400 stacks remaining. Bet/bet/bet is not really a possible line there, which is a problem for a hand which doesn't have a lot of showdown value. Even then, threebetting is OK in isolation, but we can't threebet every hand of this type or we'll have too many threebets. I'd rather threebet something with some blockers.

I agree generally about this sort of hand playing better HU, but this isn't a 6-handed pot where we're calling out of the blinds or something. Definitely calling with the intent of using position/aggression to win fairly frequently.

Good point, I completely ignored spr after our 3!. Seems like a leak I should plug haha.
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03-12-2019 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by daonna
This hand has been bothering me all week. I would make the same play every time but interested to know what others would've done here.

1-2
Hero BB ~$300 K7
Villain SB ~$250

Folds to V in SB: completes
H in BB: checks

Villain has shoved preflop with 22 and JJ in the last 20 minutes, taking the pot both times. He was pretty drunk at around 1am Friday night, a very bad player but good for the table. His MO was to raise very large pre (or shove) with any PP or any hands with 2 nice picture cards/A's.

Flop: 24K

Villain: "$200!!! No, I push!!! All In!!" and pushes his pile forward.

The Dealer says "the bet is $200" and spends a minute or two counting $200 from the mess.
So I've got a rare bit of thinking time (this is "turbo" at Crown Melbourne where the dealer presses a 10 second shot clock if players delay their action at all).

Hero ?

Normally I put a guy who does this on a set and I fold.
I can't help thinking he would've shoved with a PP pre though, and with TP plus the FD I'm thinking I can't be in bad shape against anything other than a set.

Hero: Call.

Turn: 6

V: "I shove!!! All In!!!!!!" and pushes his remaining $50+ in.

Hero: call

River: 4

Villain turns over 42 and wins with a FH.

I was 51% on the Flop against his exact holding (I didn't know this at the time. I checked it after the session). Unless he had a set I was never in worse shape than 51% on the Flop.
How fit-or-fold is this villain post-flop? If we have any fold equity at all, we should be punishing people who complete their SB when blind versus blind by raising liberally, and suited K7 is definitely in my punishing range, especially given the read that the villain shoves with pocket pairs, good aces, or two broadway cards.

As played, I am happy to get it in either on the flop or the turn. Given the action, I would call the 200 on the flop and call the turn shove.
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03-12-2019 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by corlath
1/2 game.

Hero (250, SB) is a tight player, has a reputation as such.

BB (covers) is loose, mostly passive but sometimes aggro, but has shown the ability to fold top pair to a pot sized 60BB shove on turn when I raised pre, and bet flop.

EP1 (covers) is decently snug, this session. Can spaz but is up to 1k and shows no sign of being on anything but lockdown for big amounts.

EP2 (covers) is an older man, unlikely to put big money in without a nuttish hand.

both 1 and 2 cover.

CO (60) has recently bought in but is already down ~100, seems pretty loose.

EP1, EP2 and CO limp, hero looks down at 99 and completes the blind, BB checks. Pot 10, raked to 9.

Flop 367

Hero checks, BB checks, EP1 bets 5, EP2 calls, CO calls
Hero raises to 25, BB calls, EP1 folds, EP2 calls, CO shoves 60.
Hero shoves all in for 250ish total.

Thoughts?
Preflop, not squeezing three limpers is a crime. Our pair is good enough to do more than set-mine, and at the same time we are happy to take this pot down now. In a real game I would raise to 5 or 6 bb (i.e. to 10 or 12), but this is 1-2 and people call way too much, so we should punish this by raising rather bigger, 10 to 15 bb (20 to 30).

As played, just lead out on the flop. It's a multiway pot, so that suggests sizing down, but we are in worst position and it is a really wet board that connects with limpers' ranges, and those two factors suggest sizing up. I would bet something like 3/4 pot, like 6 or 7 here.
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03-12-2019 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
2/5. Hero raises AhAs BTN over a limper to $35, BB and limper call. Limper is older gentleman who can be fairly loose pre. Hero eff. $375.

Flop ($105): 3-4-5ddd. Limper donks $50, hero calls, BB folds. Turn ($205): 7s. Limper checks, hero bets $75, limper calls. River ($355): Js. Limper checks. Hero?

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DT
Easy-peasy check-back.

I probably wouldn't have bet the turn, for pot control.
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03-12-2019 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Easy-peasy check-back.

I probably wouldn't have bet the turn, for pot control.
ChrisV said check turn too...why shouldn’t we charge his draws?
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03-13-2019 , 03:32 PM
Maybe because we aren't ahead of the villain's continuing range?
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03-13-2019 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Maybe because we aren't ahead of the villain's continuing range?
Err flush draws and straight draws don’t count as part of his “continuing range”?
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03-13-2019 , 08:26 PM
Good squeeze spot?

6 handed live ~100bb effective

Main V knows I have been playing very tightly and recognizes this (folded aces correctly in what seemed like standard spots,however, he seemed shocked I did)

V raises to 12 UTG cutoff and button call

I 3! To 60 with KJ off in the BB

Easy squeeze spot?

I definitely do this all the time but I like winning these kind of pots pre and not paying rake and I think my image is good
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03-13-2019 , 08:30 PM
Against UTG its debatable, and really depends on how often he os opening here.
I'd like it more if he raised after a few limpers or did it in later position.
Also depends on stack sizes. Is this 1/2 or 1/3? Also, suited would be batter as a backup plan when called.
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03-13-2019 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Against UTG its debatable, and really depends on how often he os opening here.
I'd like it more if he raised after a few limpers or did it in later position.
Also depends on stack sizes. Is this 1/2 or 1/3? Also, suited would be batter as a backup plan when called.
It is 1/3.

I think calling is ehh okay since we are getting a price.

Pretty marginal spot honestly and don’t know what the most +EV play is
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03-14-2019 , 09:14 AM
Not a fan of the squeeze but could consider it with KJs if we were deeper. In this spot all we're doing is bloating the pot with an RIO hand.
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03-14-2019 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard32
Good squeeze spot?

6 handed live ~100bb effective

Main V knows I have been playing very tightly and recognizes this (folded aces correctly in what seemed like standard spots,however, he seemed shocked I did)

V raises to 12 UTG cutoff and button call

I 3! To 60 with KJ off in the BB

Easy squeeze spot?

I definitely do this all the time but I like winning these kind of pots pre and not paying rake and I think my image is good
If you completely removed lightish preflop squeezes from your playbook you probably couldn't go too far wrong, imo. Not only do we have to be worried about the EP raiser, but we also have to be worried about the callers (who can still be flatting with hands that are never folding). I gave an example recently where an UTG raise by a very wide raiser in my game was flatted by JJ, AQo and KQs. And given the typical loose nature of the game I play in, often it'll take one EP call for this to go lol 5ways to the flop.

Gjustfoldandmoveon,imoG
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03-14-2019 , 04:01 PM
Bet river or to thin?

Player is unknown however late night game and appearances suggest rec loose player

Literally first hand at the table
$1/$3 game
Hero has $400, BB covers

Hero open raises $20 with QQ in CO to $20, Button calls $20, BB calls $20

Flop 48 5 ($62)
BB checks, Hero bets $40, only BB calls

Turn is 2 (Pot is $140)
BB checks, Hero bets $75, BB calls

River is 9 (Pot is $305)
BB checks
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03-14-2019 , 04:59 PM
^^^^

I'm fine with preflop/flop.

I mostly shutdown on turn. Pot is now getting huge and the main draw got there, I'm more concerned with getting to showdown than ekeing out some extra value (hard to do against worse for 2 more streets) or protecting against some odd 4-to-a-flush draw.

Pretty bad river card as now 99/98/76 all got there, and he could easily be passively playing a much better hand that is worried about why we're still betting the turn. Too thin to bet the river, imo, but I'm scared like that.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-14-2019 , 07:52 PM
Turn bet is good. I'd x back river but I think it's close.
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03-14-2019 , 08:06 PM
5/5/10, 1K eff
Me with 97ss CO ^30, only straddle calls
Flop A65ss (offsuit ace)
Straddle x, H bet 40, straddle raise to 150, Hero?

Normally I 3b here with combo draws to balance when I have sets but I’m crushed against a range that includes Axss. Is it better to just flat here?
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03-14-2019 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Turn bet is good. I'd x back river but I think it's close.
I second this.
I like thin value, but it would really suck to get xr’d here.
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03-14-2019 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
5/5/10, 1K eff
Me with 97ss CO ^30, only straddle calls
Flop A65ss (offsuit ace)
Straddle x, H bet 40, straddle raise to 150, Hero?

Normally I 3b here with combo draws to balance when I have sets but I’m crushed against a range that includes Axss. Is it better to just flat here?
Flat seems better to me here, 3!ing doesn’t have much FE in this spot and you probably stack V regardless if you hit, especially if it’s the beautiful offsuit 8.
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03-14-2019 , 08:30 PM
Would definitely flat. People generally aren't kidding when they x/r Axx flops. A range of sets, two pairs and NFDs is pretty bad for you.
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