Easily a favorite vs Tag pro utg call 3 bet range with AQ.

And will easily outperform a lot of that calling range that is ahead just with fact we have position.

Yeah just shove if you're continuing with the hand (which you generally should be there, imo). Letting people see flops for no reason is no good, it's giving them three free cards.

Come on man. Give me a range where this is true.

Assume they 4 bet AK, AA, KK, QQ a large majority of time. Your a smart man and can fill in the rest.

99-JJ, AQ Axs, and some suited connectors.

If they are are playing 4bet/fold strategy. I am okay with that too.

AQ is easy 3bet vs any non nit.

Well sure, OK, for "call 3 bet range" I was substituting "continuing range". It's true but not really relevant that we beat his flatting range. The more hands he 4bets, the worse it is for us.

I still think you're missing the point. Quality of opponent is by far the most important factor at LLSNL, to the extent that people frequently move tables to play against worse players. But here, you'd rather play a dinky little preflop-raising-war hand against a pro, with the bottom of your value threebet range, than to play an extremely strong multiway hand against several bad players. I don't get how you think this will be more profitable. To put it another way, what you do with respect to the whales in this hand is way, WAY more important than what you do with respect to the pro, because they are way more likely to just dump piles of EV on your doorstep.

You missed the post where I agreed with you. In this spot I flat to keep whales in. My original post I was on auto-pilot didn't factor in chance of free money coming into pot.

Doesn't change the fact. Generally I would 3 bet any pro with AQ. Even a UTG open. Unless they are some 2/5 nit grinding out $30/hr. And I 100% consider it a value 3bet, not a light 3bet.

You guys do realize that whales cold call 3-bets with trash all the time? You're giving whales way to0 much credit that they will make disciplined folds because "zzzoooomg it's a 3-bet that means I should fold!!!!"


What a whale is thinking is "Oh look there's more money in the pot. Sweet! I have KJ. Better call so I can win a F*** ton of money!!!!"

J9s otb 250bb deep vs fish. Not the worst player, but def very bad and overplaying (imo) several hands.

What size raise are you willing to flat. 5x? 7.5x? 10x?

$1/$3 game

$440 deep no reads. Villain is mid 20s Asian

Hero raises to $20 with TT. Only button calls.

Flop is T 6 Q pot is $45


Hero bets $30 Button sort of reluctantly calls

Turn is K pot is $105
Hero bets $80 button raises $160

All in? Call and fold unimproved or call/call?

What stakes. Many here advocate 7.5x and even 10x pre as standard open

Getting direct odds to boat up on the river even if he flips AJ.

Call and eval. river, I'd say.

Preflop is likely position / game dependent for me, but we managed to get this HU, although OOP.

SPR is 9ish and we have middle set. In order to play for stacks (which we do unless board runs out horrible) we'll need big bets going in on early streets. I PSB the flop, not a fan of our smaller 2/3 PSB, especially when the set of hands that calls 2/3 PSB but not a PSB is empty (right?).

I'd probably bet a little bigger on the turn too but whatever. Notice how if he just calls the turn we'll have $310 left in a $265 pot and thus require a big overbet jam on the river to play for stacks; this is mostly due to our flop sizing.

I probably just jam the turn at this point and live with results (some of which has been predecided thanks to preflop). It's not an awesome spot since stacks aren't short and most non-morons will even be slightly cautious with KQ/QT/KT/66 on this type of board against a preflop raiser.

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If we jam, we risk folding out villain's better hands that we beat. I would say call/call (but folding on the river if an A or 9 hits).

This, also folding to a river J.

If he manages to fold two pair, good for him I guess. Otherwise we're not putting him to a difficult decision with draws or allow him to check back two pair hands on the river.

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6-handed 1/3. Hero opens to $10 UTG+1 with QTss. V calls UTG+2. V is 30 y/o WG playing $200. Seems loose preflop but haven't seen a lot of action post-flop. He usually misses and folds. Hero covers.

Flop ($20): A-Q-Txxc. Hero bets $20, V calls.

Turn ($60): 3c. Hero bets $40, V calls.

River ($140): 4c. Hero checks, V bets $60. Hero?

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Easy-peasy call. Yes, the villain can have a flush or KJ for a straight. At the same time you are towards the top of your range. Villain's bet is only 42% of the pot. You only need to be good just slightly more than three times out of ten for a call to be profitable.

I think I'd go up to 5x against "very bad but not the worst." Depends on type a little. If I am looking to get stacks in vs. a maniac, this is not such a great hand. If I will be able to take it away a lot, it is a better hand.

Button's great, but remember there are 2 left to act. They will occasionally make you fold. It's rare at LS, but if one does happen to be active and/or sharp enough to realize you are capped and wants to isolate the fish/take it down, you have to tighten up.

This is a perfect example of a spot where we are inclined to overestimate our advantage. So, even as a very good postflop player compared to the LSNL pool, I'm worried about doing that.


My gut reaction is to side with GG and ship, since we are usually going to get stacked if we are behind anyway and we should often be ahead.

But, if we take the reluctance at face value, KQ seems reduced. I think the average player is pretty happy with a Q high flop and a mid 20s Asian male even more so. At the same time, if he called a PFR with J9, this is a no brainer call otf for him. But, soul read on one word in a post on a forum: calling a PFR and then going from reluctant otf to wanting stacks in on this turn sounds a lot like AJ.

We're just 43% vs J9s, AJ and KQ.

KT makes SOME sense. 66 too. So maybe we can get to 50/50.

Therefore, I think calling works out. If the board pairs, we ship the river. If it doesn't we generally check call, but maybe pull a hero fold out of our butts once in a while.

If he DOES have the straight, I think it's a pretty good outcome to almost always stack him when the board pairs and to get away on A and J rivers.

Should we ship spades? Don't really expect him to fold a straight but he might. He might also check back KQ,KT,66 but call a bet. We do screw ourselves if he would check back a straight but now calls.

2/5 live. $500 effective.

As I sit down V tables K4o otb and won the pot with trip 4’s. I think the pot was raised pre.

V straddles LJ, HJ folds, good tag pro, probably playing more lag in this lineup, opens to $30, I 3 bet JhJs otb to $90, V says “I want to get me some of that” and calls his straddle and tag pro folds.

Flop: J44 two diamonds.

V checks dark. Continue for like 1/4-1/3 pot or check back?

nh. I'd cbet like 60. We have obvious evidence that V calls too much, so that's the mistake I'll try to exploit. If he's also an aggrotard, a small bet could well induce on this flop. I don't think trying to get him to draw into a hand is worth the loss of a street in this instance.

Yeah, his range should be pretty heavily weighted to pairs and you’re getting at least one street out of him.

Betting $75ish here

Far more likely to check back turn than flop. If we bet $75 and get called and then check back turn we’re almost always gonna get a bet on river and we can shove over the top of it

I hate betting the flop here. I think we should check behind, possibly with our entire range.

Reasoning? We presumably have an enormous range advantage here, so we ought to be playing most of it by betting.

Yea we have a range advantage and a plenty of reasonable equity bluffs against his flop calling range. We would need an exploitative reason to think checking range here is better than betting cause I would imagine from a gto perspective we should be betting a lot. I do understand why you would hate betting this exact hand though.

Anyway I opted to bet either 60 or 65 and he folded. Just wondering what the best default line is here.

I mean he probably had like 87cc or something. It's funny, there's a cognitive bias, people are always way more bothered if they fail to get value with a gin flop as opposed to just TPTK or something, even though those hands are just as important to play well.