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10-23-2018 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
ETA: I also don't mind just flat out folding preflop, and being the first caller with still lots of people behind us (most in position with us in an awkward spot right after the preflop raiser) is kinda meh unless a lot of the overcallers are horrible and we're unlikely to get 3bet.

GbutI'manit,sothere'sthatG
At the risk of beating a dead horse on the head, no, there wasn't hardly any 3 betting going on, typical 1/2 table. Only 3 players doing any raising.
I thought it was an interesting hand to post but no, I'm not insisting I played like some pro or anything. That's why I value any and all feedback.
Not a GTO guy, exploitative play is the bread and butter of low stakes.
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10-23-2018 , 03:52 PM
certainly, all the options are available pre. but an exploitive play based upon your description and your interest in calling down with A high against this Villain... is to 3bet pre with this hand.
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10-24-2018 , 07:22 AM
1/2. Fairly loose passive game. Hero raises to 12 UTG with AK. 4 Callers, including SB.

Flop 777.

SB checks. Hero?
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10-24-2018 , 08:29 AM
Zeebo spot, imo. Just check.
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10-24-2018 , 09:25 AM
Probably nobody has a full house though. I'd bet small for protection. I want to protect against 6 outs, so something like $10 should do the job. I could plausibly bet like that with AA, so it's not obviously a weak hand. If someone does have a PP, I can either suck out or bluff on J or Q turn.
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10-24-2018 , 09:50 AM
You got 4 callers and don't think that any of them has a pocket pair?

Also, are you really advocating betting $10 in to a $60 pot?
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10-24-2018 , 10:01 AM
in a vacuum betting $20 will be +ev imo, but depending on profiles of the 3 players IP, could easily change that answer.
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10-24-2018 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ES2
1/2. Fairly loose passive game. Hero raises to 12 UTG with AK. 4 Callers, including SB.

Flop 777.

SB checks. Hero?
I can never remember if that's better or worse than three cherries.

At a loose table, a bet will fold out exactly zero better hands, and very few worse hands. Everyone says "nah, no way you have the 7" and calls. And the player who does have the case 7 will come along with the rest. Someone in better position bets and wins with worse, whatever, on to the next. (But, again, four-way at a loose table, A high is only maybe good if it checks through to showdown, and you're not going to keep anybody from seeing the turn.)
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10-24-2018 , 10:52 PM
Hero in BB at 1/3 table. Five to flop, hero checks option with K3o. Pot $15. Flop: K-A-3r.

UTG limper bets $15, hero calls, rest fold. Turn: 10. V bets $45. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
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10-24-2018 , 10:55 PM
Readless it's a fold. But with any reasonable read that hes aggressive we might be able to call.
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10-24-2018 , 10:56 PM
Probably raise the flop.
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10-24-2018 , 11:12 PM
yep, raise/fold flop to 40
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10-25-2018 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by homerdash
in a vacuum betting $20 will be +ev imo, but depending on profiles of the 3 players IP, could easily change that answer.
This is what I did and everyone folded. It was indeed influenced by the players, who were pretty straigtforward.

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Originally Posted by ChrisV
in a vacuum betting $20 will be +ev imo, but depending on profiles of the 3 players IP, could easily change that answer.
This was my thinking too.

This was last night. Incredibly, today I raised AK over 1 limp and got 3 callers, including the limp and a blind.

Flop TTT.

Check check to me.

Players were a little stickier, but I stabbed for 20, because now I had an experiment going.

This old guy who was played kind of oddly--maybe very little experience--tanked for like a minute in last position. I kind of figured he must have a 10. What else would warrant so much thought and also not be worried about showing weakness? He finally called, then a loose passive called from the blind. Limper folded.

I was half hoping I didn't hit an A or a K.

Turn, blank. Check around.

River blank, check around.

SB takes it down with 22.
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10-25-2018 , 08:54 AM
Zeebo wins again. Probs just no one had a PP the first time and your hand was already good. Mind you, they had a ton of (collective) outs, so getting folds there doesn't suck.
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10-25-2018 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Hero in BB at 1/3 table. Five to flop, hero checks option with K3o. Pot $15. Flop: K-A-3r.

UTG limper bets $15, hero calls, rest fold. Turn: 10. V bets $45. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
Cool with preflop.

I probably just donk/donk/donk for relatively smallish amounts and then re-evaluate if I get raised. As played (checking the flop), I probably also just passively call (I think check/raising this board is overplaying where there are few draws that can continue and a lotta worse hands can manage a fold).

As played (check/calling the flop), I might consider donking the turn smallish myself.

Facing a 2nd PSB in a row (the first one being into the world) is a bit concerning. This really starts coming down to reads and how often this guy is just going to go nuts with AQ/etc. on a fairly drawless board, how often he can limp monsters in EP, what he thinks of us, etc. Against the nitty end of opponents, I think we can begin to thinking of making an exit here; otherwise, I probably call and may consider a small blocking bet/fold on the river (due to the possible straight on board I doubt we ever get raised by worse).

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10-28-2018 , 02:35 PM
Preflop spot with KK 200BBs deep

Game is 2/5 nine handed where everyone buys in for at least 200BBs. Opponent is a 60ish reg, somewhat of a thinking player and reads hands pretty well. He was pretty loose aggressive when playing 1/2 but I don't know how he plays at 2/5. ( FWIW he likes to talk about luxury products (that's a $5000 jacket, a Louis Vuitton), expensive cars (hey, do you still have the jag?), and talk about the high stakes regs in the room :P )

I raise KK to 30 from MP, villain raises to 90 from the SB and it's back to me.

What is your preferred action (call or raise) and why?
Personally, I feel like it is standard to call here versus most opponents regardless of whether I am in or out of position.

But then I get the impression that I can potentially rep AA in certain spots versus some of the good thinking regs at these stakes by 4-betting and barrelling off in mutiple streets, especially given a good image and particularly since I'm not known to be capable of making plays like this. Indeed, I'm not and never have considered this before but after thinking about the hand, I think there is room for some aggressive plays when everyone is buying in for 200BBs or more. Obviously this is a high variance play and one to be made very rarely given the right circumstances but probably one that can be very profitable.

Put yourself in a spot where you are being pummelled into versus a range likely to be AA versus a TAG. How happy would you be facing a turn shove in a 4B pot? Would you lean toward folding or calling, given you are not on tilt? Personally, if I'm on tilt, I will stack off with KK or QQ versus what I know with almost certainty is AA but if I wasn't on tilt, I am also capable of making hero folds. Also, I'm talking about using this play versus opponents capable of making big laydowns, obviously. Thoughts?
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10-28-2018 , 11:31 PM
Insofar as I can understand what you're saying, just 4bet pre, you're still way ahead of his range and it just makes the hand easier to play against someone who you seemingly may believe is better than you. I also don't like trapping at this stack depth with overpair hands as they would prefer a smaller SPR.

Are you talking about turning KK into a bluff by repping AA? I mean, it seems that way, but it makes no sense.
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10-28-2018 , 11:40 PM
I really don't understand what you're trying to get to fold in your scenario. Are you trying to get AA to fold postflop when you hold QQ-KK? That seems highly unlikely, especially in a 4bet pot as the board would be J high or lower.

Are you implying SBs range is mostly AA? I highly doubt it given your description of him.

Anyway, I'd 4bet to 225 and call a shove.
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10-30-2018 , 09:48 AM
Thoughts?

1/2 NLHE

V1 js a middle eastern guy who doesn’t like to fold ($500ish)

V2 is 30ish WG who has been raising a decent amount in the short time he has been at the table. ($250ish)

V3 is a 40ish WG who is pretty fit or fold post but has a wide calling range.

V1 limps UTG+1. V2 $12 UTG+3. V3 flats from SB. Me $42 from BB with AJ off (no clubs). All call!

Flop Kc9c9s. Pot $162.

I bet $65. Only V1 calls.

Turn A. I check figuring WAWB but honestly I’m not too worried about being behind. Don’t think he would flat with a 9 on this flop too often. He checks.

River 3. I check. He bets $100. I snap and MhIg.

Thoughts?
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10-30-2018 , 10:07 AM
I like pre. I think a fold can be considered too. Not sure I'd ever call.

If we're not checking this flop, when are we checking? I probably just x/f given we're 4 handed and the flop is pretty good for the callers ranges. Turn and river are well played.
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10-30-2018 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cannabusto
I like pre. I think a fold can be considered too. Not sure I'd ever call.

If we're not checking this flop, when are we checking? I probably just x/f given we're 4 handed and the flop is pretty good for the callers ranges. Turn and river are well played.


I bet flop because we should get a ton of folds. Every pocket pair will most likely fold - ‘they put you on AK’ - and I’m repping that plus better.
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10-30-2018 , 10:52 AM
Yeah, and you have the feel of the game that can't necessarily be put into words here. It must be close either way given the bet size. I think a bet closer to pot sized would be a more clear mistake.
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10-30-2018 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Vancouver
Preflop spot with KK 200BBs deep

Game is 2/5 nine handed where everyone buys in for at least 200BBs. Opponent is a 60ish reg, somewhat of a thinking player and reads hands pretty well. He was pretty loose aggressive when playing 1/2 but I don't know how he plays at 2/5. ( FWIW he likes to talk about luxury products (that's a $5000 jacket, a Louis Vuitton), expensive cars (hey, do you still have the jag?), and talk about the high stakes regs in the room :P )

I raise KK to 30 from MP, villain raises to 90 from the SB and it's back to me.

What is your preferred action (call or raise) and why?
Personally, I feel like it is standard to call here versus most opponents regardless of whether I am in or out of position.

But then I get the impression that I can potentially rep AA in certain spots versus some of the good thinking regs at these stakes by 4-betting and barrelling off in mutiple streets, especially given a good image and particularly since I'm not known to be capable of making plays like this. Indeed, I'm not and never have considered this before but after thinking about the hand, I think there is room for some aggressive plays when everyone is buying in for 200BBs or more. Obviously this is a high variance play and one to be made very rarely given the right circumstances but probably one that can be very profitable.

Put yourself in a spot where you are being pummelled into versus a range likely to be AA versus a TAG. How happy would you be facing a turn shove in a 4B pot? Would you lean toward folding or calling, given you are not on tilt? Personally, if I'm on tilt, I will stack off with KK or QQ versus what I know with almost certainty is AA but if I wasn't on tilt, I am also capable of making hero folds. Also, I'm talking about using this play versus opponents capable of making big laydowns, obviously. Thoughts?
You've got KK, so you have AK double-blocked. Why bother trying to bluff it out?
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10-30-2018 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
Thoughts?

1/2 NLHE

V1 js a middle eastern guy who doesn’t like to fold ($500ish)

V2 is 30ish WG who has been raising a decent amount in the short time he has been at the table. ($250ish)

V3 is a 40ish WG who is pretty fit or fold post but has a wide calling range.

V1 limps UTG+1. V2 $12 UTG+3. V3 flats from SB. Me $42 from BB with AJ off (no clubs). All call!

Flop Kc9c9s. Pot $162.

I bet $65. Only V1 calls.

Turn A. I check figuring WAWB but honestly I’m not too worried about being behind. Don’t think he would flat with a 9 on this flop too often. He checks.

River 3. I check. He bets $100. I snap and MhIg.

Thoughts?
You are OOP in a multiway pot, and the flop only a little bit dry. A c-bet will get a ton of folds, but the hands that don't fold will have narrowed, strong ranges.

The only thing I like about your flop bet is its size.
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10-30-2018 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cannabusto
Are you talking about turning KK into a bluff by repping AA? I mean, it seems that way, but it makes no sense.
Haha, no not at all. Sorry I didn't make it clear in my post (I suck at explaining)

In the part where I talk about "repping AA", I wanted to describe the merits of, say, raising with 89s or T9s, getting 3-bet and then proceeding to 4-bet with it. And I suggest this because with everyone playing so deep, I guess I think I could possibly fold out better hands by barreling on certain board textures versus decent opponents by applying pressure. This is what I was getting at. But I don't know, I was just thinking out loud to myself, hoping to get a reality check on whether this is a good idea or not ;P
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