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Old 10-11-2018, 08:43 AM   #6051
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Ok. I've re-read it. Do you think 16 is always too small a raise?
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:14 AM   #6052
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Call. And you need to deal with the bolded asap. Horrific mindset.
Ok. Agreed, lot's of faulty thinking.
If flop came A K 9, with multiple callers, how do you recommend I hero proceeds?
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:24 AM   #6053
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Its ok, depending on how many limpers.

Just make it 15 or 20 to save dealers and everybodys time...
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:43 AM   #6054
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Its ok, depending on how many limpers.

Just make it 15 or 20 to save dealers and everybodys time...

no, this is a terrible post, we are talking about 1/2. you want 2/5 to be only reds+ play, that’s fine but a redbird is 2.5BB here so that’s not acceptable.

i can tell you that at the majority of 1/2 tables, if you want everyone to fold pre, anything $20 and up will do it (without a straddle). $15 is the other boundary, where anything at or under will be called more frequently.

both amounts you gave are totally the wrong dealer-friendly ones anyways, the correct one is $17, so the BB and limpers can just call with 3 redbirds.

dealers can handle making change for the tips they expect, and the ones that can’t shouldn’t be dealing.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:22 AM   #6055
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I saw this hand in Vegas a few weeks ago and at the time I had no idea what Villian was holding. Popped into my head again so thought I would ask:

Manderlay Bay 1/2, 9 handed. 11PM on a Tuesday. Table is loose passive with at least 2 marks on the table. We are all in town for a convention and I am winning in the game as is the Strong Reg to my right.

Stong Reg LP (700): Playing about 2-3 hands per orbit seems to be pretty tight post flop. Has not made it to many showdowns that I recall specifics on but he showed down maybe 2 or 3 strong hands in the 3 hours we have been playing.

V1 EP (500): One of the marks on the table. Passive and calls down very light. On 3rd buy in for $300

V2 MP (550ish) Tight player somewhat ABC. Has only played maybe 5 or 6 hands I have seen. One a big pot with AA against AK on a K high dry flop. Called 2 bets and then was checked to on the river where he bet about 1/2 pot for value

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UTG Limps, 1 limp V1 makes it maybe 15, 2 calls to Reg in the cut off who makes it $60. I fold on button, all fold except V1 and V2.

Flop ($135ish)
JJ2 rainbow

Checks to Reg who bets $40, both villians call

Turn ($255)
7 bringing a club draw.

Checks to Reg who bets $40, both villians call

River ($375)
8 flush does not hit

Checks to Reg who goes all in for $350/$400 more. Both villians fold, Reg mucks. I ask him what he had he just looks at me.

At the time I thought this has to be 88. I would think villian bets flop bigger with QQ-AA. Does this look like a line 10s or 9s take? What about 66-33? I am quite sure the reg has similar reads on the villian to those I posted. There is a high hand bonus in the room so he does not have Quads. How do you range this Reg?
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:42 AM   #6056
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

big Jacks are the only logical hands he has, pretty much everything else equals a bluff due to river action

it’s worth noting a HH bonus is also a thing if he makes FH with Jx, so downbet flop/turn and shove river with AJ hoping to get called by ~JT or whatever pair V1 has

there’s really only 1 strong reg at MB ime (the other regs are just typical nits), so if this guy is grayish and straddles UTG/BTN every orbit and defends pretty wide but plays mostly straightforward post, yeah he’d definitely 3b a lot of good Js vs. described villains
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:28 PM   #6057
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Ok. Agreed, lot's of faulty thinking.
If flop came A K 9, with multiple callers, how do you recommend I hero proceeds?
Check fold if you enjoy money
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:38 PM   #6058
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big Jacks are the only logical hands he has, pretty much everything else equals a bluff due to river action

it’s worth noting a HH bonus is also a thing if he makes FH with Jx, so downbet flop/turn and shove river with AJ hoping to get called by ~JT or whatever pair V1 has

there’s really only 1 strong reg at MB ime (the other regs are just typical nits), so if this guy is grayish and straddles UTG/BTN every orbit and defends pretty wide but plays mostly straightforward post, yeah he’d definitely 3b a lot of good Js vs. described villains
Now that you pointed out the HH bonus, this must be a Jack. The "reg" I saw at MB 3 nights in a row. He was thin somewhat dark skined with a thick accent. He did straddel ever so often, and his hair had a touch of gray, but cant be sure this is the V you describe. From the 6ish hours I played over the week with him the play you describe seems spot on. PM me if he is a 2+2er, I will be back at MB in February.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:27 PM   #6059
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Check fold if you enjoy money
lol. Ok, we're on the same page with this one.
I'm not trying to be a know it all.
If this is your line on such a flop though, then why is the statement, not commit, play like a small pair, etc, so horrific?
Are you someone who really wants to give an honest opinion of are you just a troll?
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:31 PM   #6060
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Check fold if you enjoy money
Maybe I didn't set up the scenario correctly.
When I described myself as an OMC type, I was simply trying to explain what I thought my table image was. How the others, more than likely, viewed me.
If my sentence structuring created confusion, I apologize.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:51 PM   #6061
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For what it's worth. I ended up going all in.
I didn't put him on a strong hand. Like I said, he most likely would have tried to trap if he had me crushed. AA or KK were very unlikely.
I stuck with my read, I'm not afraid to commit my stack, because that's what I do. If he has AK or a flush draw, let him try to draw.
My question would have been, should I just raise instead of going all in?

I'll continue to post hands and make future HH more compact.

Ohh, villain was visibly shaken and soiling himself.
He folded of course, because I'm a Boss.

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Old 10-12-2018, 01:29 AM   #6062
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Ok. I've re-read it. Do you think 16 is always too small a raise?
My default would be 12.

His comment was about your mindset. You've got the 3rd best hand in poker and you are thinking about set mining instead of money printing.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:49 AM   #6063
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Nm
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:50 AM   #6064
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The only possible troll here isn’t me
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:52 AM   #6065
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For what it's worth. I ended up going all in.
I didn't put him on a strong hand. Like I said, he most likely would have tried to trap if he had me crushed. AA or KK were very unlikely.
I stuck with my read, I'm not afraid to commit my stack, because that's what I do. If he has AK or a flush draw, let him try to draw.
My question would have been, should I just raise instead of going all in?

I'll continue to post hands and make future HH more compact.

Ohh, villain was visibly shaken and soiling himself.
He folded of course, because I'm a Boss.
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Seeing that someone has to bring this thread back to life, I felt myself duty bound to take that step, at the risk of exposing my limitations at no limit.

1/2 no limit live cash.
New to table. About 20 minutes.
V is a youngish, early 30's, late 20's, WG. Has already been involved in a few big pots since I moved here.
Doesn't seem to be a maniac though. Seems to have controlled aggression. Seems to know what he's doing but not exactly sure how competent he is. His raises tend to be on the small side, 8. And, he limped
A bit too. In other words, he's been pretty active.
Hero is a MAWG bordering OMC status.
Certainly a tight image.

Effective stacks 200

After a couple of limps, our hero looks down at 2 Queens.
Hero decides to not commit and or expose our strength and only makes it 16. Ready to play it as a small pair, set mine, if we get multiple callers.

V in BB seems to contemplate and calls.
I wasn't sure if he was thinking of folding or raising.

limpers fold and we are, to my surprise, heads up.
Dream scenario with two ladies I guess.

Pot is 36 without rake.
Flop 9 7 7 two spades.
Hero holds the Q of spades.
Villain donk bets 20!
What do we make of his lead out on such a board?
Does he put us on two overcards and is hoping to buy pot?
What does our hero do?
Hm
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Old 10-12-2018, 08:26 AM   #6066
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My default would be 12.

His comment was about your mindset. You've got the 3rd best hand in poker and you are thinking about set mining instead of money printing.
Yes. Hey, I'm an OMC, don't forget.
In an attempt to give enough details, to paint a vivid picture, I sort of failed miserably and wasn't able to clearly get my thoughts across.
Although I admit, maybe my attitude going into the hand was flawed.
I thank y'all for all the feedback.

I will maybe get a book on proper English grammar structure.
Hey, something to look forward to in my old age.
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Old 10-13-2018, 10:31 PM   #6067
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Hi y'all. Your favorite older MAWG , is back with another low stress, strat question.
Real easy.1/2 cash. Eff 270. After 1 limper, in mp1, I look at 2 black Jacks.
Make it 15.
Younger WG, to me, they're almost all younger. Active, but no maniac, makes it 45.
Like I said, he's been active, but this is first time I've seen him 3 bet like this. Reeks of strength. I wasn't in a gambling mood and folded.
Villain shows AA.
Was my fold correct, or should I have taken a flop?
Was that too tight a fold?
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Old 10-13-2018, 10:55 PM   #6068
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It's basically never wrong to make tight folds to first-time threebetters, since there are so many players in the player pool who never threebet light.
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Old 10-13-2018, 10:56 PM   #6069
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It's basically never wrong to make tight folds to first-time threebetters, since there are so many players in the player pool who never threebet light.
This.
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Old 10-14-2018, 05:06 PM   #6070
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You've got 255 left and it's 30 to call. Even if the villain covers you, you aren't getting the necessary price to setmine. If the villain has less chips than you, the implied odds are even worse.
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Old 10-19-2018, 03:09 AM   #6071
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

H1:
2/5 live. I’m $800 deep with main V who is a loose aggressive whale.

V1 limps, H$30 from +2 with 9h9c HJ calls and V calls.

Pot:$90

Flop 8s5s3h

H$75, V whale calls.

Turn: Js.

Pot:$240

Xx. Given how wide he is it’s not the worst turn, I think I’m still ahead very often here but I can look to call river and not have to face a turn raise.

River:7c

V$125, H? V does have a history of turning a lot of one pair hands into bluffs but this is a really bad run out. I call.

H2:
1/3 live. V is the effective stack with $400. He is a loose and mostly passive rec. Pretty gambly but haven’t seen him bluff much.

H opens ThTs UTG to $15, V calls HJ.

345r one heart

H$20, V calls.

Pot: $67

Turn: 9h

H$45, V calls.

Pot: $157.

River Js.

H$55, V calls.

H3: 1/3 live.

H opens KK to $25 over 3 limps and we take a 5 way flop. Main V is +2 and posted a missed blind. He’s a tournament reg, plays wide pre and mostly passive post but I don’t have a big sample since he plays tourneys and I play cash.

Pot:125

Flop 332r.

Checks to hero otb who bets $60, V calls.

Turn 6r

V leads $60, H calls.

Pot:$365.

River 8
V $100, H?

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Old 10-19-2018, 03:36 AM   #6072
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Hand 1 looks good. Not thrilled with having to call the river but the whale could plausibly just be value betting an 8 or something.

Hand 2 I'd just make a standard size bet OTR. If he's not calling enough there are plenty more bluffs we can put through this line.

Hand 3 you didn't give a river but I doubt it matters. I'm not folding for this price. He probably just has a 3 but we can't really fold at any point.
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:34 AM   #6073
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Hi all,

1/3. Hero is playing $175. Hero limps behind with KQhh in CO and BTN raises to $15 and gets three callers including hero. V is young TAG who has shown down a big bluff or two heads up against another V. Pot $60.

Flop: K-4-K. Checks through.

Turn: 2. Hero bets $16. Folds to V who c/r to $35. Hero calls.

River: T. V jams. Hero?

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Old 10-19-2018, 08:55 AM   #6074
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You have trips second kicker and less than 60BBs against a V who you know has a bluffing range and you're considering anything other than a snap call?
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:59 AM   #6075
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You have trips second kicker and less than 60BBs against a V who you know has a bluffing range and you're considering anything other than a snap call?
Nah - I shrug snap called. He flopped the under full 444KK. I guess no getting around it.
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