As gg said though, the big mistake here was not raising enough pre. $30 is minimum imo with so many limpets and having to play oop

[x] limpets

I'm not so sure I'd go as far as saying it's a big preflop mistake, as getting in $20 of a $260 is pretty close to what we want, but I like setting myself for simply easier spots postflop. The better player you are postflop, the less conservative you have to be preflop; I err on conservative preflop, obviously.

My guess is the hand would have likely played out much the same anyways (which we still butchered with our turn play).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Call and set-mine.

At 1/3 against a short stack (140ish) who has also been playing tight since he sat down, call, fold or raise KQ pre flop when he opens to 18 from mp and we're in lp?

Depends on button and blinds to some extent and how deep you are vs them

Sb short (200ish) bb had about 450ish H covered. H was Bu


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Also, KQ is about the cuttoff hand for calling/folding in this spot, correct?

KJ, JT type hands are folds?

Because V made it 18, SPR post flop is going to be low so our starting hand requirement should be more premium hands, right?


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Yup.

LP isn't a great description. Are we CO or HJ?

Tight is a relative term. Do you have a lot of history with this player?

I'd like some opinions on the best line to take in the following hand played at £1/2:

Hero and Villain 1 are both £600 deep, Villain 2 has around £40. Villain 1 is slightly LAG but sensible, Hero has a tight image.

V1 UTG+1 raises £10
V2 CO raises All in £40
H BTN has AA

Is it better to 4 bet here or flat and hope UTG+1 attempts to iso the shortstack?

V1 should be relatively strong and aggro so flatting to give him the chance to re-open the betting makes sense to me.

What kind of range are you assigning V1?

Not an ultra tight range but nothing unreasonable either. All pocket pairs, AT+, some suited and offsuit broadways, maybe a few other hands (I guess some lower suited Aces and suited connectors such as t9 and 98).

Yeah, given you have position, I think flatting here and either letting him 4 ball or playing post with a super underrepped hand is great

We're about 45% vs that range. Add having position (hopefully) and now it's a question of whether we 3 bet or flat IMO.

What do you think he'll jam with if you 3b?

[ ] AA with 45% equity against any range

I'd insta-muck and wouldn't even think twice about it.

ETA: Although, as others have said, is a bit dependent on others behind (hopefully that we have position on). If they're all deep with us and loose preflop and ******ed postflop, I can more easily get behind a call. But my default here (especially with no one else already guaranteed in the pot) is to fold here.

Gnit,ldoG

^^GG, grats on winning the Avatar of the Year award^^

Question: Anyone call with a set here?

V is a random old dude I'd never seen before. Been at table for ~ an hour. Have yet to see a showdown. Man seems to be playing tightish, but not OMC nitty. He'd made some pf calls before.


5/5, eff stacks ~$630

Wild, gambly guy opens $30 in EP, V calls OTB, Hero calls SB w/ 66 3way to the flop

$90

632

x,x, V bets $100, hero just flats, original raiser folds.

$290

T

x,x

$290

5

Hero bets $125 fearful that V will check back, however V raises to $400 w/out much thought. Clearly this guy isn't bluffing, but I don't see him overbetting the flop w/ 2 spades. I don't think he'd call pf with some rags that could flop pair + gutter either. Still, the bet looks strong af. Standard fold or anyone look this up since our hand is sorta underrepped?

Since we didn't bet turn, I prefer check/calling here to prevent RIO.

I would $350 or jam turn though. It may look like we're missing value here, but the board is a little too wet for my comfort.

AP, I can probably find a call at least some of the time. He may be turning a whiffed heart draw into a bluff and the flop overbet with 2 spades doesn't make much sense. I think I'm more worried about some random 4x that got there than flushes (Ad4d, Ac4c, 45s, etc.)

think you’re stuck calling solely based on your river action imo, it would be an easier fold if you had bet like $150+ and he yammed/YG 4 hunna’d it

1/3 with max bet 300

H (600) is in the Lo Jack, or MP2. 40s WG reg.

V (345) is BTN, 30s WG with big, long hair, looks like hair band lead guitar on break, but he's a semi-reg. Get's aggressive and likes to needle people.

Folds to H. Rare. This table is good. Lot's of limpers. H woulda joined a limp train with this hand, but...

H has 9Tcc, raises to 20. Been opening to 20 in EP and MP, and 15 in LP, so this is standard for H.

CO calls.
V raise to 65.
H calls. Is that insta fold here? I like the call cuz we're deep even though I don't have position.
CO folds.

Flop (147) Ts 9s 8c
H?

H bets 125
V insta ships 325
H?

call pretty quickly

Yup. Pretty easy call, imo. He has an overpair here a ton.

Pre is burning money. I'd x/jam flop. Redic easy call AP. Call floor over V adding on 45 mid hand.

Yeah, this is an insta-fold. I didn't look at it hard enough the first time. WTF? You're not deep. You're only 115BBs effective.

If a raise to $20 (6.67BBs) is normal in this game, 115BBs is pretty dang shallow, equaling only 17x a standard open. That's like being 69BBs deep in a 2/5 game where your opens would be pretty standard.

Assuming CO folds (and he's pretty capped here, so he likely is), your call sets up a HU pot with an SPR of <2:1 with a speculative hand OOP. This is a turbo muck.

LJ is still too early to be getting out-of-line preflop, imo. We still have 3 people who have position on us yet to act (and a guy on the Button who sounds like he can make life difficult) and 5 overall to act. If the table is such that you like seeing cheap flops, limp in with a nice multiway hand and try to encourage a cheap multiway flop. My nittier ways sees me just folding here (admittedly nitty, but position is everything and we are unlikely to get it).

Another problem with raising is that we'll have to fold to a 3bet, whereas if we limped and saw some callers to a raise we could perhaps think of seeing a flop. And we're not deep at all against Villain (ignoring how deep we may or may not be against CO who might not come along); our IO to call the $45 raise is a lame-o 8. Trivial fold, imo.

I probably check/shove the flop. A donk folds out his air hands which he'll likely cbet, and otherwise we get to check/ship against his overpairs.

As played, snap call. SPR is ~2 and we have top two pair on a board where preflop 3better likely has an overpair or super draw.

ETA: What sailboats and G said.

GnitwhodislikeswholehandG