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Old 04-04-2012, 04:00 PM   #426
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Yeah I make huge spewy mistakes once a month that eats up my win rate. Literally every month for the past 4 months this has happened.
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:03 PM   #427
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

yeah I do the same...just recently I decided I will take ten seconds, breath before making a move...kinda helped...I imagine me posting the hand on here and getting trolled and flamed, then make my move lol
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:54 PM   #428
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Simple line check 2/5, $300 max buyin.

Haven't been in game very long. Seems passive and call stationy

~330 stack. most opponents have 300 or more

KK

I make it 35 from SB after some limping
4 callers

832

I bet $100
3 folds
1 call, player is an old man, has me covered

3

I ship the rest of my stack, ~$200.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:07 PM   #429
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:25 PM   #430
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

OK how about this one.

Same game, later on.

KK

I have about 300-350. Game has broken down to 6 handed. Villain in question has over 2k on the table, and has been somewhat running over the table. Laggy but also calls too much.

I raise to 35 UTG.
Laggy Asian Villain calls from the SB or BB (i cant remember). I'm IP

4610

Villain checks
I bet $60.
Villain calls.

9

Villain checks
I ship my stack.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:33 PM   #431
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:42 PM   #432
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I'm playing both KK hands the same as you.
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Old 04-05-2012, 03:35 AM   #433
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Not thread worthy so I'm posting here

I wasn't involved in the hand

Eff Stacks $150

Tag opens $10 from CO, abc tag who tries to play creative at times 3bets $41 from sb, folds around to CO who calls, HU

Flop: Kh Qh 6h ($82)
Sb checks, CO shoves

1.If we are sb what are we c/c with?

2.If we are sb what are we cbetting with and what is our sizing?

3.If we are CO what are we shoving flop with?

4.If we are CO what are we checking back with?

5.If it checks through what are we betting out with if we are sb turn is a heart?

6. If sb checks the heart turn and we are CO what are we betting with? Are we bluffing this at all? What is our sizing?

That's it for now








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Old 04-05-2012, 03:36 PM   #434
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I get so lucky sometimes.

I was on the button last night, $1/$2. eff stacks a little over $200.

I pick up K9

UTG shortstacker raises to $11, two callers; I call, SB calls.

Flop comes QT6 with one diamond. UTG bets $16, I call, SB call. My intention was to steal this pot on the turn if it's checked to me.

Even better, the turn is the 8. Now I have improved equity in the hand and it's checked to me. I bet $45. Small blind calls. Not my plan, but, OK.

River: 2

Checked to me, I bet $75. She calls and says, 'This is probably a bad call; I have two pair. I think you have trips.'

So, again, I overestimated my FE, which I am beginning to think is non-existent on the flop and turn at $1/$2.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:54 PM   #435
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I get so lucky sometimes.

I was on the button last night, $1/$2. eff stacks a little over $200.

I pick up K9

UTG shortstacker raises to $11, two callers; I call, SB calls.

Flop comes QT6 with one diamond. UTG bets $16, I call, SB call. My intention was to steal this pot on the turn if it's checked to me.

Even better, the turn is the 8. Now I have improved equity in the hand and it's checked to me. I bet $45. Small blind calls. Not my plan, but, OK.

River: 2

Checked to me, I bet $75. She calls and says, 'This is probably a bad call; I have two pair. I think you have trips.'

So, again, I overestimated my FE, which I am beginning to think is non-existent on the flop and turn at $1/$2.
I'm not a fan of preflop at all, especially against a shortstack raiser. Yuck, imo.

I also don't like the flop call. It certainly is a weak ass bet ($16 into $55 if I've added right). But this flop crushes an UTG raisers range, plus a J might be the worse card in the deck for us (we lose our stack to AK). Plus we have SB still to act after us. Yuck again, imo.

I also don't like the turn. Bluffing one player out of a pot is hard enough, let alone two. Plus J9 just got there. I happily take a free card here.

I also hate the river. If I've counted right, villain has about $130 left and pot is $190. Trivial shove, IMO.

0/4, imho.

ETA: What two pair did SB show up with? This is probably a good example of a hand played completely backwards from our point of view; we put in lottsa money into the pot when we were way behind, and then didn't put enough in when we were way ahead.

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Old 04-05-2012, 06:17 PM   #436
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gg I would fold that pre as well.

Flop is a tougher fold, but I think I get there as well. It's not just the 3.5 to 1 that matters, it's that UTG is short and we barely get paid even if we spike a J.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:58 PM   #437
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

what's the best line here for a fairly loose/passive $2/3 game?

4 limps to me in bb with AK

hero raises to $18, mp1 call (approximately $150 in stack), mp2 call (about $60 behind), rest fold.

Flop Q T 4 ($55 after rake)

Hero? (stack covers both players)

bet/fold, c/r all in, bet/call?

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Old 04-05-2012, 07:28 PM   #438
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Floating in 1/2 = burning money.
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:50 PM   #439
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what's the best line here for a fairly loose/passive $2/3 game?

4 limps to me in bb with AK

hero raises to $18, mp1 call (approximately $150 in stack), mp2 call (about $60 behind), rest fold.

Flop Q T 4 ($55 after rake)

Hero? (stack covers both players)

bet/fold, c/r all in, bet/call?

Bet/call. Folding at any point with this much equity is a disaster.

With both players short stacked and $55 already in the pot not much to think about here.
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:15 PM   #440
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Bet/call. Folding at any point with this much equity is a disaster.

With both players short stacked and $55 already in the pot not much to think about here.
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what's the best line here for a fairly loose/passive $2/3 game?

4 limps to me in bb with AK

hero raises to $18, mp1 call (approximately $150 in stack), mp2 call (about $60 behind), rest fold.

Flop Q T 4 ($55 after rake)

Hero? (stack covers both players)

bet/fold, c/r all in, bet/call?

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(38)/(55+27+65+38) = 21% pot odds which is almost the same as your chance of hitting the spade on the turn. If we count your implied odds this should be a call. Though villian could have nut flush or nut FD so you have to worry about reverse implied odds as well.

If you call flop, even if the turn misses and he shoves for his remaining ~$70 you are priced in to call assuming you win when the flush hits on river. In light of this perhaps the best play is to just shove over his raise on flop and if he has the As or a flush and the board misses call it a cooler.
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Old 04-06-2012, 04:37 AM   #441
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I'm not a fan of preflop at all, especially against a shortstack raiser. Yuck, imo.

I also don't like the flop call. It certainly is a weak ass bet ($16 into $55 if I've added right). But this flop crushes an UTG raisers range, plus a J might be the worse card in the deck for us (we lose our stack to AK). Plus we have SB still to act after us. Yuck again, imo.

I also don't like the turn. Bluffing one player out of a pot is hard enough, let alone two. Plus J9 just got there. I happily take a free card here.

I also hate the river. If I've counted right, villain has about $130 left and pot is $190. Trivial shove, IMO.

0/4, imho.

ETA: What two pair did SB show up with? This is probably a good example of a hand played completely backwards from our point of view; we put in lottsa money into the pot when we were way behind, and then didn't put enough in when we were way ahead.

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lol. no i am not stacking off against AK if a J comes unless it is the J

the raiser folded. i was up against a woman with a deepstack. she probably had $400 left. i definitely underbet the pot. i think much more gets a fold.

you know what it is: it's one of those hands you play when you feel you can run all over the table. and you overplay it.
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Old 04-06-2012, 04:38 AM   #442
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gg I would fold that pre as well.

Flop is a tougher fold, but I think I get there as well. It's not just the 3.5 to 1 that matters, it's that UTG is short and we barely get paid even if we spike a J.
i wasn't calling to hit. i was calling the flop to take it away if it got checked to me on the turn, which i was about 80 percent sure would happen and it did.
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:56 PM   #443
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

1-2 NL 9-handed

UTG: Villain opens to 13(150BB; his openrange should be 66+, AT+, some small amount of suited wheelaces and good broadways; very likely to call any pp and AJ+ preflop if I 3bet;his 4 bet range is KK+ and he generally plays very bad in 3bet pots)


UTG+1: Hero with AQo (150BB)


UTG+2: Frenchguy with 30BB, able to make calls for up to one quater% of his stack preflop with broadways and Ax-type of hands; very likely to get it in with 22+, AJ+ preflop no matter what


MP: Frenchguy with 50BB, able to make calls for 15-20% of his stack preflop with broadways and very small pairs and give up afterwards if he doesnt hit; also very likely to get it in with 66+, AQ+ preflop no matter what


HJ: straightfoward+ postflop aggressive player with 300BB, who overevaluates midpockets a lot and tends to call singleraised pots ip with a rather wide range heavily weightened towards broadways and connectors

CO: postflop straightforward fit or fold player with 140BB, how has already 2 times gotten out of line pre by coldcalling a 3bet with 63suited kind of hands

BTN: Uebernit with 250BB

SB: Nit with 200 BB

BB: Italian spewtard with 100BB, able to limp-call UTG preflop with J2s for 10%+ of his stack

If I call, it's very likely to create a cascade reaction with a hand that does not really play well multiway.
Can we profiiitable 3-bet in this position on this table?
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:23 PM   #444
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i like 3betting better than calling unless you think it'll induce a weak range to shove behind you. folding is certainly an option as well.
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Old 04-07-2012, 09:31 PM   #445
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1/2 NL, effective stacks $200

Just sat down. UTG (V1) is a good regular, probably the best player in the room. UTG+1 (V2) is an older nit reg, but probably a small winner. I'm in MP with red queens

UTG opens for 10$, UTG+1 min-raises to 20$. My action? Am I set mining here?
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Old 04-08-2012, 02:29 PM   #446
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Had ATo make broadway twice last night and I'm wondering how I could have squeezed more value out of them.

Hand 1 ($2/3)

At new table, only played 5 hands, cbet once with Q9s after raising and showed my Q on the QT4 flop. Guy claimed to have folded KJo because my bet was too big lol.

In bb with AT

4 limps, I check. Flop KQJ ($12 after rake)

I check, mp youngish guy overbets $17 (with $250 stack), folds to me (I cover), I raise to $58, guy hems and haws and folds. Then the guy spends next 2 minutes talking to the guy next to him about what I probably had. I get a table change.

Anyone flat call here and hope for a safe turn to check raise?

Hand 2 ($2/3) I have winning image and $800 stack. Table is super soft.

Loud older woman not paying attention with $180 limps in mp. I limp behind with AT, sb limps, bb checks.

Flop KJ7 ($8 after rake)

Checks to me, I bet $6. all folds except Woman who calls.

Turn KJ7Q

Woman checks, I bet $12. She isn't paying any attention, talking with someone behind her, turns around, takes 1 second to call.

River KJ7QQ ($42)

Woman leads $30. She has ~$120 behind. Hero?

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Old 04-08-2012, 02:33 PM   #447
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Donk bet the first hand, shove the second.
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Old 04-08-2012, 02:34 PM   #448
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1/2 NL, effective stacks $200

Just sat down. UTG (V1) is a good regular, probably the best player in the room. UTG+1 (V2) is an older nit reg, but probably a small winner. I'm in MP with red queens

UTG opens for 10$, UTG+1 min-raises to 20$. My action? Am I set mining here?
I'd click it back to $30-40 so the good reg can't call. Then just fold to a 5 bet obviously from either. There's really no great play vs nitty old dudes. I'd rather try and take initiative than to flat call.
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1/2 NL, effective stacks $200

Just sat down. UTG (V1) is a good regular, probably the best player in the room. UTG+1 (V2) is an older nit reg, but probably a small winner. I'm in MP with red queens

UTG opens for 10$, UTG+1 min-raises to 20$. My action? Am I set mining here?
Does V2 know of V1?

I assume V1 is aggressive and aware of his positions?

Flat and evaluate if questions above are both true.
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Does V2 know of V1?

I assume V1 is aggressive and aware of his positions?

Flat and evaluate if questions above are both true.
I flat as does V1. Flop is 9h 6h 2c. V1 checks, V2 bets 40$. My action?
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