I don't play nosebleeds, so my useless two cents:

SPR is 13 on the flop, so I highly doubt we want to play for stacks with one pair (right?). Main Villain could force us to play for stacks with 3 big bets, and looks like is capable of making moves. Are we cool with playing for stacks? I'm still not. So I'd either bet *way* less on the flop (this is a bone dry flop, why are we betting a fairly large 3/4 PSB, I'd only go like 1/3 PSB), or I'd even consider just checking back the flop (especially if we're going to face a check/raise a lot) although this does risk giving free overcards.

I'm confused, don't we have position? If we don't have position, the more I'm even checking this flop to the aggro player.

In the end, the exact thing happened which the large flop bet got us on the road to doing: the road to playing for big stacks with one pair against a difficult player (possibly OOP) where our hand kinda looks like exactly what it is. In general, I don't think this is a good spot unless we're incredibly comfortable with our plan, especially since the board will often run out ugly with overs / etc.

GbutIdon'tplaynosebleeds,soobviouslylol@meG

GG,

Sorry. I mixed up the positions. V was on BTN, or last to act at least.

Good advice. I wouldn't really say V was difficult though, but more of a gambly rec player. He'd been in other pots and didn't get aggro in those. I thought it was just best to point out this one semi-bluff leak. I had actually considered re-raising flop thinking he might also gamble with an underpair or 8x. Since I didn't, I felt that same apprehension about playing for stacks you mentioned. Should have lead the flop for less, I agree, but I think we're missing value if we check it entirely.

I think one of my big disagreements with most in a lot of threads is this concept of "value". "Value" means **** all if we're forced to fold the hand at some point or we end up getting in the majority of the chips with the worst of it, imo.

In some ways, I've come around to a concept in HOC that I first thought was missing a lot of value, in that in some spots I thought he was more concerned about getting to showdown and seeing if he wins the pot. I'm now beginning to understand the importance of that against certain players (obviously this concept doesn't apply as much against hurp durp face up payoff stations).

Maybe I'm too transparent, but I'm a bit of a bet/folder, but if I'm not comfortable bet/folding (due to my opponent), then I don't bet. Here it sounds like we're not comfortable bet/folding, so I check.

GsittingatthekiddiestakestableG

Good spot to flat AKs pre?

V seems like a bad rec that is aware of basic theory. He's not playing too well and getting semi-coolered by putting himself in bad spots over about 3 or 4 orbits both with aggression from overvaluing his hands and passively calling marginals/draws. He seems to be tight pre compared to average and has been opening $20-25 thus far. He recently lost a big pot (don't recall to what) and just topped off.

5/5 $1k effective.


V either UTG or UTG+1 and opens $40, folds to hero on BTN with AcKc. Blinds are likely to get out of way unless they have premium hands. Thoughts...

Multiway spot with 1010, against a skilled preflopraiser (online reg for a living, multitabling 1/2). Got a little bit caught off guard by this line in this hand, and was struggling to map out an accurate range- because this is only second game ive played with this online dude. He is generally tight from early position, but have some button clicking tendencies due to his multitabling grind online. Is running very well today combined with playing good, so he have a winning image. Hero have been carddead/spot dead,but is around breakeven in on first bullet.

UTG straddle, online reg raises to 7 BB from early pos. MP calls, i call cutoff, button and both blinds also calls so we are very multiway here.

2-3-6 rainbow flop. BB donks out a small 30 percent pot bet. Online guy calls, i call and button overcalls as well so 4 ways to the turn. Another 2 on the turn, also creating backdoor flushdraw. BB now slows down and check,only for online guy to fire out half pot sized bet. Hero?

My stack is around 100 BB, everyone in the pot have me covered.

Additional reflections: does anyone prefer a 3 bet pre in this spot despite villains early pos open raise in a straddled pot, to isolate in position and avoid the very multiway situation i got myself into this hand? Does anybody want to raise the flop and if so why?

Yes. I honestly would just fold in ep fwiw

No dont 3b and no dont raise flop. Turn is a flat though he plays all of his overpairs like this so if you want to be the hero of all heros you can fold.

Thanks for chiming in.Follow up questions: how do you proceed on different rivers assuming youre faced with a decent sized riverbet from internet preflopraiser? Like do we safely range him on JJ+ overpairs or a rare boat with a small pocket pair if he chooses to fire big on the river also after this multiway action to the flop? How much do you think the fact that we have 2 villains behind us to act on the turn with wide ranges influence our decision here?

Yes action behind is why this spot particularly sucks. This used to be a big leak of mine, like id think about other people but really would focus on villain. Now, i know that everyone is very important, oftentimes more important than villain.

Its very difficult for him to bluff river or be value betting worse so Im calling turn to fold river. If he checked like a 6 or a 4 or maybe even a backdoor flush card id strongly consider turning into a bluff

Simple spot from the other day - standard?

2/5
Hero - been active 3b and 4b over the 1.5h I've been at table. 1300.
V1 MAAG, very loose preflop and flop. Big calling station. 550
V2 MAAG, seems on the tighter end and has been whittled down to 250.

V1 limps in HJ, V2 completes in the SB. I raise to 30 on BB with AJo. V1 calls, V2 calls - he tosses in 20, and seems to make a small grimace as he realizes its 5 more.

Flop is A83r. V2 checks, I bet 40. V1 calls. V2 stuffs for ~190 more.

Hero calls? I'm discounting AK, AQ from V2's range after his pf grimace.

Not folding but not a fist pump call either. You're gonna be shown a better ace or better a lot of time. You're getting better than 2-1 and with a starting spr of 3 I'm generally not folding TP

Meh. With the read were almost never good here. It's normally 22, A2, A8 here. If we're good, your read is wrong.

Call if you think V1 will come along. Don't jam obv. I think we're ahead of V1 enough to hedge with a side but w/o it, it's a fold.

250 BB effective against both villains.

UTG straddle, i raise red QQ to 6 BB from UTG+1. Spazzy buttonclicking reg and owner of the underground club 3 bets me to 20 BB. A good friend and one of the better players in the playerpool goes into the tank and after a while decides to cold call the 3 bet. He is on the button. I am more worried here about my friend on the button than the 3 bettor and were quite deep so i decide on a call. I have logged hundreds of hours with both villains and know their game to the smallest details, so feel i can manouver pretty accurately postflop- even though it obviously suck being OOP against a very skilled player (button) in a bloated 3 bet pot deepstacked.

60 BB in the pot and flop comes down quite favourable KQ4

I check, 3 bettor tanks check and button instantly fires out a half pot sized bet of 32 BB.

Hero does what and why?

Flat. You want the spaz to spaz, so let him.

Flatting and vomiting on a turn

How concerned are we about letting in buttonclicker 3 bettor with his entire drawing range if we choose to flat buttons bet? Like, he have kind of a merged 3 bet range FWIW, consisting of everything from different PP to suited gappers like 10-8 to ultra premiums.

Good reg on the button i think have a buttload of AK combos and 1010-JJ combos pre, due to the tank pre and i noticed he was debating with himself if he should just flat or 4 bet. He can also have couple of other hands that hit this flop pretty hard. If i check-raise this flop he is probably gonna fold most of his range to that type of action this deep, so that is kind of a problem in terms of getting max value.

Not concerned at all, we have a set for redraws and if he had any kind of half reasonable draw he'd have bet.

Button probably has AK a lot which is fine, you don't want to be checkraising as he probably just mucks it. Flatting is just all around best, there is really no argument for doing anything else.

we either have to allow the 3! to draw for a good price or the jig is up and we only really see action from KK OTB who didn't want to cold 4!. yes we have a wider range here but what would we ever c/r here? we can't really get enough bluffs to cover our made hands, so we probably should be flatting our entire range.

the real problem will be if we flat, spazz x/r and then BTN 3!

Agree with flatting. But am leading most turns. Being OOP sick here. Flatting to keep spazz in.

Even if he raises and Button tries to isolate him. We can't fold, not even 250 BB deep.

Kk here is just so unlikely

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Appreciate the inputs guys.

Results: in the heat of the moment i did end up check-raising the flop and both villains folded. I got caught up in the thought of being OOP on a wet board feeling that i would give them implied odds to draw for my whole 250 BB stack if i just flatted the flop. Just didnt use enough time to range both villains properly wich is a mistake i rarely do these days, so that was tilting me little bit afterwards even though i won a nice sized pot.

Pretty much instantly after the hand was finished i kind of regret the raise, because as Johnny also mentions i think the ranges i get action from with a check-raise at this point is pretty narrow+ 3 bettor doesent get the chance to spazz, even though i think he C-bets most of his equity range on the flop in this spot so he is probably done with the hand anyway.

Button flashes AA when he folds by the way, so that explains the tank pre whether he wanted to flat call or 4 bet. Said afterwards that he felt my range is so weighted towards set of Q and KQ suited for top two after the check-raise that commits my 250 BB stack so he had to lay it down.

1/3. Semi-tilted reg who covers all straddles to $6 in the HJ.
BTN (250, new to table) calls.
Tilted guy who bought in for $160, ran it up to 300ish and then stacked off with trips no kicker. Rebought for another$160 and played basically every hand thereafter by l/c and then folding OTF calls ($115ish).
Hero raises to $35 with QQ.
Straddle folds, both limpers call.

Pot $105 after rake.
AJ4dd flop.

Tilty donks out for $50.
Hero?

Fold? Seems straightforward. Youll have AK AQ JJ AA here and maybe other stuff. Can easily afford to fold QQ KK.

We really think he over limped a premium and then over called it facing a big raise? I'm much more concerned about Ace-rag than AK, and I think AA is in his range here approximately never.

Reread my post yo

Which one is the non diamond?
If it's the Aces he's def got all AXdd here. Should be a fold.

If the Ace is a diamond then it's close and probably worth it to just gii since he only has $80 into $105 on the flop anyway. So I'd min raise.