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02-22-2016 , 02:36 PM
Trying to find a reason for you to call here, but it's hard. Big portion of his range is 78s and A8s, seems unlikely but I guess possible that he's out of line utg with 68s, 89s has you dead.

78ss or A8ss or two pair probably would've donked or check raised the flop I suppose. Tough spot.
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02-22-2016 , 02:52 PM
I think you can fold pretty safely, your bet size says overpair and he's telling you he has you beat.
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02-22-2016 , 02:52 PM
$3/5 200-500

Hero has KK MP2

V1 is MAWG with 350
V2 Asian loose passive preflpp, aggressive and bluff prone postflop with 900
Hero has 200 (new game, wanted to get a feel before maxing buy in)

Preflop
Folds to Hero, hero makes it $25, V1 and V2 call

Flop Q T 6 rainbow
Pot 75

Hero bets 80, V1 tanks for a minute and calls, V2 calls

Turn Q completes rainbow
Pot 315

All check

River J
Pot 315

Hero shoves...
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02-22-2016 , 02:52 PM
I think you've got to convince yourself that 44,88,99 are in his range to make the call.

I'd check behind turn against some villains, but AP seems fine.
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02-22-2016 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Curious
$3/5 200-500

Hero has KK MP2

V1 is MAWG with 350
V2 Asian loose passive preflpp, aggressive and bluff prone postflop with 900
Hero has 200 (new game, wanted to get a feel before maxing buy in)

Preflop
Folds to Hero, hero makes it $25, V1 and V2 call

Flop Q T 6 rainbow
Pot 75

Hero bets 80, V1 tanks for a minute and calls, V2 calls

Turn Q completes rainbow
Pot 315

All check

River J
Pot 315

Hero shoves...
Hero is 40 BB deep with KK. All the monies should be going in as soon as possible. Pre is fine; bet larger if they'll call larger.

I like the flop slight overbet. Best time to biggify the pot and make the turn shove easy.

Turn pot is 300 and we have 100 behind, but somehow we accidentally checked instead of shoving. Don't try to be sly, just put it in. Top card pairing might scare your customers, but calling 100 for a 400 pot. Also, at least some V's will think that the Q pairing reduces the chances you have one and you might be bluffing with AK.
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02-24-2016 , 06:08 AM
UTG Limps $2
BTN Raises to $15
Hero (SB) with 44

UTG is a decent winning reg, BTN has been pretty straightforward tag, wonder if im able to call here at what/any stack sizes?

We were all ~$500 deep so I called, not sure if it was bad.

UTG ended up raising to $50, BTN calls

Wondering again if I can call here, I ended up folding but not sure it was right.
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02-24-2016 , 10:13 AM
It's a marginal call getting about 3:1 direct and another about 13:1 implied plus your position sucks and there's always a chance that BTN would 4 bet if you flat. And if UTG is a decent winning player he's not always stacking off post when you spike. Folding is ok.

On the other hand UTG is face up as KK+ so you could make a set mining argument but most of the time calling loses money.
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02-26-2016 , 10:34 AM
I made a bad turn call and got rewarded last night. Wanted to see how many people think this is an autofold:

I raise 77 to $12 at a $1/$2 table.

Three callers.

Flop 9d 8d 7c

I lead for $30. Two callers.

Turn 10h

Brutally bad card.

I check. V1 bets $25. V2 raises to $75. Effective stacks are $225 at this point, so I'm putting in 1/3 of my stack to try to boat up and hoping V1 doesn't reraise. My visual look at V1 makes it look like he's calling, not raising. He calls.

From a math standpoint with implied odds I am making the right decision, but I hate playing weakly.

Input?
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02-26-2016 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
I made a bad turn call and got rewarded last night. Wanted to see how many people think this is an autofold:

I raise 77 to $12 at a $1/$2 table.

Three callers.

Flop 9d 8d 7c

I lead for $30. Two callers.

Turn 10h

Brutally bad card.

I check. V1 bets $25. V2 raises to $75. Effective stacks are $225 at this point, so I'm putting in 1/3 of my stack to try to boat up and hoping V1 doesn't reraise. My visual look at V1 makes it look like he's calling, not raising. He calls.

From a math standpoint with implied odds I am making the right decision, but I hate playing weakly.

Input?
There's $126 in the pot after the flop action. You're getting 3-1 on a turn call and you need 23% equity to call, so it's close but you can call assuming a straight is never folding if you fill up and the other player in the hand isn't raising the turn.
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02-26-2016 , 12:12 PM
Tough if V1 range includes 2 pair.

I count 20 bad turn cards, I think you should go 45 on the flop.
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02-26-2016 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
I made a bad turn call and got rewarded last night. Wanted to see how many people think this is an autofold:

I raise 77 to $12 at a $1/$2 table.

Three callers.

Flop 9d 8d 7c

I lead for $30. Two callers.

Turn 10h

Brutally bad card.

I check. V1 bets $25. V2 raises to $75. Effective stacks are $225 at this point, so I'm putting in 1/3 of my stack to try to boat up and hoping V1 doesn't reraise. My visual look at V1 makes it look like he's calling, not raising. He calls.

From a math standpoint with implied odds I am making the right decision, but I hate playing weakly.

Input?
If we're expecting 3 callers, I'm not sure what the point of the preflop raise is (we're just making it more expensive for us to setmine, imo).

I'd PSB+ the flop (no draw is folding, let's max value while we are most likely ahead plus have a good draw ourselves).

Turn is just a math decision. We need about 4:1 implied, although it's possible V1 could be sucking up some outs (plus might reraise if our visual read is off). If we're pretty sure V1 is just going to call and pretty sure V2 will pay off stacks on a paired board, then whatever the math says, imo. Are we being asked to call $75 to win $135 + $75 (assuming V1 calls) + $75 + $225+ (more behind for each villain) = $510 so about 7:1? Pot will be $360 so it will be hard for a straight to fold for "just" $225 (although that is probably considered a massive bet). Plus we do have RIO in this spot when we boat up against a bigger fullhouse. If I'm *sure* V1 is just calling, I probably sigh call.

GimoG
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02-26-2016 , 02:20 PM
2/3 Eff Stacks ~$270

H = Young white male,pretty quiet don't really get out of control
V= late 50's early 60's white male not quite OMC nit

Huge limp fest as usual at this casino
3 limpers
hero limps with Jd9c from lp V completes his SB
($15)Flop: KQ10r checks around Hero bets $15 SB calls (down to HU now)
($45)Turn:2x SB bets $35 I call
($115)River:Q SB Leads for $150 Hero......?

Probably a standard spot but kind of bugging me here
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02-26-2016 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
I made a bad turn call and got rewarded last night. Wanted to see how many people think this is an autofold:

I raise 77 to $12 at a $1/$2 table.

Three callers.

Flop 9d 8d 7c

I lead for $30. Two callers.

Turn 10h

Brutally bad card.

I check. V1 bets $25. V2 raises to $75. Effective stacks are $225 at this point, so I'm putting in 1/3 of my stack to try to boat up and hoping V1 doesn't reraise. My visual look at V1 makes it look like he's calling, not raising. He calls.

From a math standpoint with implied odds I am making the right decision, but I hate playing weakly.

Input?
Yeah, you're good to call. Pot will be $275 assuming V1 always calls. You get almost exactly the direct odds to call at 3.6:1. Any IO is gravy. With FE exactly zero, I see no benefit to raising.
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02-26-2016 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AZ_Vikings
2/3 Eff Stacks ~$270

H = Young white male,pretty quiet don't really get out of control
V= late 50's early 60's white male not quite OMC nit

Huge limp fest as usual at this casino
3 limpers
hero limps with Jd9c from lp V completes his SB
($15)Flop: KQ10r checks around Hero bets $15 SB calls (down to HU now)
($45)Turn:2x SB bets $35 I call
($115)River:Q SB Leads for $150 Hero......?

Probably a standard spot but kind of bugging me here
I'm cool with preflop (let's get into a pot for cheap in position, yah!), and flop (let's start building a pot).

On the turn I'm torn. Part of me is saying don't stack off for 90bbs in a multiway limped pot. However, there is just so much we are ahead of here on this board (two pairs, plus pair + draw), and most two pair hands here will consider themselves nuttish and stack off. I'm raising the turn to commit.

As played, I fold the river. The overbet is a bit weird but maybe he's just really trying to get paid off big on a boat.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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02-26-2016 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by McSkinny
UTG Limps $2
BTN Raises to $15
Hero (SB) with 44

UTG is a decent winning reg, BTN has been pretty straightforward tag, wonder if im able to call here at what/any stack sizes?

We were all ~$500 deep so I called, not sure if it was bad.

UTG ended up raising to $50, BTN calls

Wondering again if I can call here, I ended up folding but not sure it was right.
I think you can call. You can stack UTG when you flop a 4. I'd call $35 to win UTG's $450, plus whatever from btn, and the $115 already in the pot. You end the action and guarantee you see a flop.
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02-26-2016 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I'm cool with preflop (let's get into a pot for cheap in position, yah!), and flop (let's start building a pot).

On the turn I'm torn. Part of me is saying don't stack off for 90bbs in a multiway limped pot. However, there is just so much we are ahead of here on this board (two pairs, plus pair + draw), and most two pair hands here will consider themselves nuttish and stack off. I'm raising the turn to commit.

As played, I fold the river. The overbet is a bit weird but maybe he's just really trying to get paid off big on a boat.

GcluelessNLnoobG
Yah i tanked for a while... thinking KQ and AJ would raise pre so not worried about that tanked some more eventually called and of course he had QT oh well thanks for the input!!
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02-26-2016 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AZ_Vikings
2/3 Eff Stacks ~$270

H = Young white male,pretty quiet don't really get out of control
V= late 50's early 60's white male not quite OMC nit

Huge limp fest as usual at this casino
3 limpers
hero limps with Jd9c from lp V completes his SB
($15)Flop: KQ10r checks around Hero bets $15 SB calls (down to HU now)
($45)Turn:2x SB bets $35 I call
($115)River:Q SB Leads for $150 Hero......?

Probably a standard spot but kind of bugging me here
Eeesh. Pretty sure I fold. Villain has to be going crazy with Qx, which doesn't make sense given his turn action except maybe QJ. KQ/QT/AJ all make sense too. A huge bet like that is a nuttish hand. Fold.

I think I raise turn. Get all two pair/pair+A/pair+J/Jx hands to call.
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02-26-2016 , 02:50 PM
$2/2 effective stack $160

Hero has QQ MP1

UTG is loose. Has done nothing out of line preflop (0 large pf raises over many orbits). Has been recently caught twice making large river pure bluffs (not by Hero)
UTG+2 is loose passive

Preflop
UTG raises to $12, fold, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises to $40, folds back to UTG who insta shoves to $160, UTG+2 folds, Hero?

I know this is just a ranging and math question, but coming from limit I just don't know how heavily to weight AA and KK vs any other hand. I think his range should be heavy with AA, KK, and AK.
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02-26-2016 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ecooke
$2/2 effective stack $160

Hero has QQ MP1

UTG is loose. Has done nothing out of line preflop (0 large pf raises over many orbits). Has been recently caught twice making large river pure bluffs (not by Hero)
UTG+2 is loose passive

Preflop
UTG raises to $12, fold, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises to $40, folds back to UTG who insta shoves to $160, UTG+2 folds, Hero?

I know this is just a ranging and math question, but coming from limit I just don't know how heavily to weight AA and KK vs any other hand. I think his range should be heavy with AA, KK, and AK.
Fold. It's $120 for a pot of $210. You need 37% equity.

Your equity by villain's range:
18% - KK+
27% - KK+/AKs
39% - KK+/AK

Villain needs to 4! shove with his entire AK range to make calling barely profitable. You're either barely ahead or crushed. Fold
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02-26-2016 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie
Eeesh. Pretty sure I fold. Villain has to be going crazy with Qx, which doesn't make sense given his turn action except maybe QJ. KQ/QT/AJ all make sense too. A huge bet like that is a nuttish hand. Fold.

I think I raise turn. Get all two pair/pair+A/pair+J/Jx hands to call.
Say I made it $100 on the turn whats the plan for the river.. Jam pretty much 90% of cards... a Q not being one of them?
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02-26-2016 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AZ_Vikings
Say I made it $100 on the turn whats the plan for the river.. Jam pretty much 90% of cards... a Q not being one of them?
Pretty much. So long as the board doesn't pair (or perhaps put 4-to-a-straight to Ax, although if he checks that to us we might have to value bet that).

GimoG
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02-26-2016 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AZ_Vikings
Say I made it $100 on the turn whats the plan for the river.. Jam pretty much 90% of cards... a Q not being one of them?
I'd make it ~$125 on the turn, about pot-sized raise. I'd jam the river on all non-board pairing cards. I think a case can be made for shoving the turn since you'd only have about a 1/3 pot bet left on the river.
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02-26-2016 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie
I'd make it ~$125 on the turn, about pot-sized raise. I'd jam the river on all non-board pairing cards. I think a case can be made for shoving the turn since you'd only have about a 1/3 pot bet left on the river.
I don't hate a turn jam either. Any 9+ can freeze up the river, and it's likely villain has a hand he is unable to fold here (unless he's capable of hero folding bottom two pair or something like that).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-10-2016 , 02:03 AM
This is a frequent spot that comes up for me, pretty sure the play is clear/standard.

1/3, table seems pretty loose passive. Most players have around 300. I've only been raising or folding pre flop, but I've mostly been folding, so if anyone is thinking at this table (they aren't) then they probably view me as tight. Doubt they think in terms of aggression.

One limp in EP from very loose player, I raise to 20 in HJ with KQdd, SB calls-he's loose but against raises he's fairly reasonable, probably has 22-JJ, suited aces and all Broadways and medium SCs.

Flop(60)- Qs7d4s

SB leads for 55, UTG folds, I fold.

Seems like a spot where most people peel since they "have to see a turn" but it's a clear fold to me. The bottom of his value range has me dominated, and the average LP player doesn't bet draws, nor with this sizing, so I'm mostly up against AQ, 77 and 44, since most combo draws probably fold pre, and there aren't that many combos of those even if he always plays them. It's a narrow range, but I just don't think people have much of a bluff frequency in these spots with that sizing.

My one concern is I'm folding a chop, but there's more combos of AQ and it's probably more likely he does this with AQ than with KQ.

Thoughts?
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03-10-2016 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Illmatikk
This is a frequent spot that comes up for me, pretty sure the play is clear/standard.

1/3, table seems pretty loose passive. Most players have around 300. I've only been raising or folding pre flop, but I've mostly been folding, so if anyone is thinking at this table (they aren't) then they probably view me as tight. Doubt they think in terms of aggression.

One limp in EP from very loose player, I raise to 20 in HJ with KQdd, SB calls-he's loose but against raises he's fairly reasonable, probably has 22-JJ, suited aces and all Broadways and medium SCs.

Flop(60)- Qs7d4s

SB leads for 55, UTG folds, I fold.

Seems like a spot where most people peel since they "have to see a turn" but it's a clear fold to me. The bottom of his value range has me dominated, and the average LP player doesn't bet draws, nor with this sizing, so I'm mostly up against AQ, 77 and 44, since most combo draws probably fold pre, and there aren't that many combos of those even if he always plays them. It's a narrow range, but I just don't think people have much of a bluff frequency in these spots with that sizing.

My one concern is I'm folding a chop, but there's more combos of AQ and it's probably more likely he does this with AQ than with KQ.

Thoughts?
It's a gross generalization, but I heavily weigh bet size when being donked into. In the past any donk bet into me was nearly and auto-raise for me. Experience, though limited, has taught me large donk bets are almost always two-pair or better from most villains. Smallish donk bets are generally second pair/draw type hands.

Nutshell: large donk = run w/out premium holding.
small donk = raise away
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