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Old 03-14-2012, 10:44 PM   #326
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Garick, you flip over a single 7 if V2 (and V1) folds to a (min-)raise? I wouldn't mind giving the impression of a complete bluff.
Depends on the table conditions. Since I play a very cally 1/2 game most of the time (2/5 doesn't run here), I rarely feel the need to loosend up the table to get payed off more. I am rather in the market for FE, so I try to give the impression of a boring straight-forward player, which lets me steal a lot of medium-sized pots.

If there's a V I really want to tilt, or my image is starting to get nitty, I will occasionally show a bluff. If the table is nitty and bad I will often show a bluff, make a big semi-bluff and show, or even straddle to loosen it up. This, however, represents table conditions I almost never see.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:13 PM   #327
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

A couple of situations have come up lately where I am losing value on hands. I think I EXPECT the standard play too often and when it doesn't happen, it screws up my plan for the hand.

Example: Pick up 77 in the BB last night and there are 4 callers before it gets to me. It's $10 so I call the $8 more. Flop is K76 rainbow. I check, fully expecting the preflop raiser (or someone behind) to bet for me. It gets checked through and the turn is, of course, a 5. So I lead for $40 and get one caller. River is a 3. I bet $40 again and he calls, then mucks when I show my set.

I flopped another set later in a similar situation but with two spades on board I didn't want to give any free cards so I led out there.

I mean, preflop raiser in the 77 hand was pretty aggressive, so I guess it's not a terrible mistake to check to him.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:18 PM   #328
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I don't really like checking the flop 6ways there. The PFR is going to get checking pretty often. And we don't want to c/r anyway so you may as well just bet.

That's a really small river bet as well so I think you're missing value there.
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:08 AM   #329
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1/2

Hero (BB)- Recently joined this table (about 20 hands in), played no hands the first orbit, then stacked a short stack when flopping top 2 with KQ. Played one other hand in which C-bet a 3 way pot, then folded on turn. ~$500.

Villain 1 (CO)- Has raised preflop, but limp-calls quite a bit. Fit or fold when he limps. On raised hand he C-bet in position, checked turn, then called a river bet and mucked to top pair. ~$130

Villain 2 (SB)-Raising often, varying the amounts. I think larger raises means bigger hands, but not certain. Possibly a good player, possibly just a crazy LAG. Has me easily covered.

Preflop: Villan 1 and Button Limp. Villain 2 raises to $6, Hero calls, Villain 1 and Button call.

Flop: Ac 7s 2s

Villain 2 checks, hero bets $20, Villain 1 raises to $50, button and SB fold...

What are we giving Villain 1 for a range here?
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Old 03-22-2012, 03:20 PM   #330
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

felt uncomfortable last night, thought I'd post. 1/2 NL

I've been at the table for only an orbit. Table is extremely friendly and talkative. It is very obviously a good situation. Effective stacks around ~65bbs, Hero has ~95 and villain has ~120.

utg folds, five limpers to me on the button with KJo. I make it 25$ all day. thoughts?

SB immediately calls, everyone else folds and we see a flop of 2 8 9 rainbow. SB checks. what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand?

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Was talking about how lucky his previous seat was
Saw him check a river OOP in a 40bb limped pot after check/calling flop and turn. He rolled top and bottom pair and said he knew he was good but wanted to let someone else bet for him.
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:07 PM   #331
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Only at table for an orbit, I think I'd just overlimp this and play it in pos, as I don't know what the table norm for calling will be and I'd hate to put in so much and get l/3! with a meh hand. If I were to raise, I'd prob go $20.

AP, ALWAYS c-bet this flop. This doesn't hit much of his range, and you should be read for AK or a big PP. If called, try to get to cheap showdown. If raised or bet into at any point, fold.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:18 PM   #332
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felt uncomfortable last night, thought I'd post. 1/2 NL

I've been at the table for only an orbit. Table is extremely friendly and talkative. It is very obviously a good situation. Effective stacks around ~65bbs, Hero has ~95 and villain has ~120.

utg folds, five limpers to me on the button with KJo. I make it 25$ all day. thoughts?

SB immediately calls, everyone else folds and we see a flop of 2 8 9 rainbow. SB checks. what's my action and plan for the rest of the hand?

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Was talking about how lucky his previous seat was
Saw him check a river OOP in a 40bb limped pot after check/calling flop and turn. He rolled top and bottom pair and said he knew he was good but wanted to let someone else bet for him.
I presume we have 95 BBs, not dollars?

I'm not sure I like your sizing PF. I know we're making it huge to squeeze out the limpers, but I feel like $18 or even $20 accomplishes the same thing. Saving those $5-$7 is important, as we can c-bet for less on flop.

With your sizing, now we have to bet about $40 on the flop if we want to take it down.

If you had made it $18 (which is still regarded as a large raise, even by recreational players), you could c-bet for $30.

Now, as for whether I would even c-bet...
Only two hands fold: AQ and AK. Pretty much every single pocket pair is loving this flop. I think I c-bet and give up.

fwiw, I'd rather limp this hand. BUT, I give you credit for making a real raise and trying to pick up the dead money. I just think it was a bit too large.
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Old 03-23-2012, 09:13 AM   #333
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

yep, 95 bbs. I'm still a little torn on the raise size. I'm at the bottom of a 10bi swong so I'm questioning lots of things at the table
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Old 03-23-2012, 07:52 PM   #334
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I know the feeling, thought it's "only" eight for me so far. Sure hope it's the bottom...
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Old 03-23-2012, 08:00 PM   #335
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I know the feeling, thought it's "only" eight for me so far. Sure hope it's the bottom...
do you feel like you are playing well or playing poorly?

i always really question myself when i have a large-ish downswing.
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Old 03-23-2012, 08:06 PM   #336
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About 3BIs of it are poor play, usually after playing too long trying to get unstuck. Rest is 4 giant pots where all money went in as a fave (60%-84%) and I lost all, and an awful APD-like stretch of not hitting flops (no set in last 22 PPs, one flopped quads that wone nothing post-flop).
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:17 AM   #337
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Been playing at the casino instead of the poker club more often. The more I play here the more it seems that most bad players with money gravitate towards the 2/5. The 2/5 games have been playing kinda shallow, 1-2 grinders and the rest are recreational players with $100-$250 behind

On more than one occasion i've come close to losing it (i'm only rolled for 1/3 and 1/2, paying for college tuition out of my roll) and jumping in. Even some dealers ask me why i'm not playing the 2/5 and i'm forced to respond along the lines of "i'm ok here at 1/3 with all the weak/tight nut peddlers, but thanks" Am I being a nit? Since most players buy in short can a comfortable jump in if I have position on the grinders?
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:59 AM   #338
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Been playing at the casino instead of the poker club more often. The more I play here the more it seems that most bad players with money gravitate towards the 2/5. The 2/5 games have been playing kinda shallow, 1-2 grinders and the rest are recreational players with $100-$250 behind

On more than one occasion i've come close to losing it (i'm only rolled for 1/3 and 1/2, paying for college tuition out of my roll) and jumping in. Even some dealers ask me why i'm not playing the 2/5 and i'm forced to respond along the lines of "i'm ok here at 1/3 with all the weak/tight nut peddlers, but thanks" Am I being a nit? Since most players buy in short can a comfortable jump in if I have position on the grinders?
Take shots when there at least like 5 spots at a table. make the decision to take a 2 buyin full plunge auto re-topping to max buyin. If you are ok with getting 70/30s with$ 500 at risk and two cards to come on the flop.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:11 AM   #339
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Why do I **** up my sizing when i stack my chips into 1 stack!
2/3 No-limit ( 100-300 )
Effective stacks 3xx?
Hero UTG with KK 3xx??
Raises to 15
2 callers (CO, BB)
-Cut-off is from a player that is fairly loose preflop calling dominated hands like any suited or connected.
-BB loves to call and try to hit top pair. Has been known to overvalue hands and make crazy overbets as a shortstack with gutshots or air. Appeared subdued tonight and just fishing for hands.

Flop QJ8 ($48 pot)
BB checks, Hero bets $29, Cut-off calls, BB calls quickly.

Effective stacks 250 (I thought I had more like 290
Turn 7 ($135)
Hero bets 94, Cut-off announces "How much do you have left, I put just you all in. Villains effective stacks were like 750. BB folds quickly.

163 more to call getting 1:2.75+
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:44 AM   #340
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163 more to call getting 1:2.75+
I'd bet less on the turn. 80 accomplishes the same thing and leaves more wiggle room, IMO. Unless BB was telegraphing his fold, I'd be snap-folding here given how deep villains were.
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Old 03-24-2012, 10:36 AM   #341
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yep, 95 bbs. I'm still a little torn on the raise size. I'm at the bottom of a 10bi swong so I'm questioning lots of things at the table
what limit do u play and how deep do u play? I cant imagine having a 10 buyin swing at 1/2 playing 100bb deep. I play 250bb deep and my worst swing (in live poker) over a hugish sample is 600bb.
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what limit do u play and how deep do u play? I cant imagine having a 10 buyin swing at 1/2 playing 100bb deep. I play 250bb deep and my worst swing (in live poker) over a hugish sample is 600bb.
Your worse swing is 600BBs? You either play really nitty and non-optimal or you are a god or very small sample.

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I'd bet less on the turn. 80 accomplishes the same thing and leaves more wiggle room, IMO. Unless BB was telegraphing his fold, I'd be snap-folding here given how deep villains were.
Yeah If i had my chips racked correctly I think I'd have ben 70-80. It was stupid for me to put my chips in some manner and forget how much I had and used poor leverage. Just wanted someone else's POV
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:58 AM   #343
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Your worse swing is 600BBs? You either play really nitty and non-optimal or you are a god or very small sample.
How long have you played live? Realistically, you can probably keep the swing very very very VERY low in live because the competition is both predictable and terrible.
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:49 PM   #344
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fun101, do you mean -600BBs before you booked a winner, or -600BBs before your giraffe got back to its height before the downswing started and stayed there?

I've booked little wins in the midst of this DS, and even a couple of decent ones, but my graph has been trending downward. Not down more than 600BBs before an uptick, but down 1600BBs since the peak. I won't consider this DS over till I get back to the peak, or at least get even for the year.
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fun101, do you mean -600BBs before you booked a winner, or -600BBs before your giraffe got back to its height before the downswing started and stayed there?

I've booked little wins in the midst of this DS, and even a couple of decent ones, but my graph has been trending downward. Not down more than 600BBs before an uptick, but down 1600BBs since the peak. I won't consider this DS over till I get back to the peak, or at least get even for the year.
My sample is 500 hours and its at 1/2 NLHE ($500 max) playing mainly with droolers who are really bad (I mean $50 Roll'Ems, double straddles for $10 and blind raises to $15 are not uncommon). I mean -600bb before I returned to before downswing total profit.

DaBow: I do play somewhat nitty, tho I would say I play solid TIGHT agressive poker. I also dont spew/tilt very often.

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I really see no other bet here, but I was criticized for it:

Picked up KK and 3-bet to $32. Got one caller who had limped and the raiser folded. I have $72 behind ... I failed to get my rebuy on the table before the hand.

Flop is Q 7 2 and I shove.

Opponent flips up AJ AND FOLDS.

Two people said I bet too much. What? I'm supposed to bet half the pot and leave half my stack behind? Makes no sense to me.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:46 PM   #347
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He still had odds to call against KK.
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Old 03-26-2012, 10:01 PM   #348
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He still had odds to call against KK.
That was my thought. He was getting 2:1 but he miscalculated the pot and thought I bet $75 into $65. Whatever. I was like, I don't care if he calls. I want the call there. I'll take my chances.
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Old 03-26-2012, 10:42 PM   #349
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Short stacking 5/10 in order to blow a few racks and loosen up.

Only hand I've seen villain play, he limp/called a 5 or 6x open by the player to his left, check called T8x two tone, led blank turn for like 4/5pot, and checked blank river with A6s. PFR checked back river and his QQ was good.

Dealt to Hero: TT
Effective stacks ~500

Villain (UTG or UTG+1) opens to 40, MP1 (reg, had QQ in above hand) calls, MP2 calls, I call in HJ, BTN calls, one blind calls.

Flop ($240): AAA
Villain leads $80, folds around, Hero?
Hi, I'm a regular short stacker at 1/2 - 2/5 so take this w/a grain of salt, but optimal sstack strat would involve open shoving after a raise and two calls in front with {TT+, AK}, you'll increase your stack size by about 25% with little risk and significant FE.

AP, snap-shove.
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I really see no other bet here, but I was criticized for it:

Picked up KK and 3-bet to $32. Got one caller who had limped and the raiser folded. I have $72 behind ... I failed to get my rebuy on the table before the hand.

Flop is Q 7 2 and I shove.

Opponent flips up AJ AND FOLDS.

Two people said I bet too much. What? I'm supposed to bet half the pot and leave half my stack behind? Makes no sense to me.
Hi, completely standard and correct shove, you're not exactly thrilled to get a call from AJcc with 12+ clean outs anyway...it's a bit over a PSB, which is what you should have bet if you rebought in time, anyways.
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