Yes. I'm nitting up the first 2-3 orbits and taking as many notes as I can on each opponent. I probably sacrifice EV in some spots where I would normally open up my range but it's a small price to pay to have better information later on in the session.

Yeah, laying low unless you're getting smacked by the deck early on should help your wr by quite a bit. Spazzing early can be a BIG leak.

I absolutely agree, thanks. V2 surprisingly showed up with JJ but I still think it's close, folding probably best overall.

yuck. all 3 options suck lol

I think we can fold if he's not totally clueless given the fact that he 3bet a utg open but I've 4bet/gotten it in here plenty of times

1/2 AK. I go 12, someone 3bets 34 all in, BTN calls 34 with 90-110 behind, I go all in. BTN folds.

Short stack goes 12 has 35 behind, 2 calls, I have AK on BTN make it 50 to go, call (~100) left, short stack all in, call (player has 18 left). Flop (200) 7 high, I go all in. Caller (100) tank folds.

This is just 2 hands I remember, but lately I've been wondering if this kind of aggressive play with AK is ok. Where I think I'm flipping, pot often has a bunch of money already sometimes dead, and someone has 75-100 left but I think their range is weak. I usually just shove AK. Only ran into AA once, and I'm pretty sure I've gotten a slightly better hand to fold several times (which usually means they never fold to me again). Or is it too aggro?

Dead money plus your equity in the pot against everything other than aa makes this plus ev.. Even with just a bare A you have roughly 30% equity against kk

Just a quick reminder of a river tell I've seen a few times in my day from weak but aggressive players. They make a strong bet on the end and then hold their cards up like they are ready to show you the nuts. In my experience this has always been a bluff. It's very amateur and can't believe it's still done. Hopefully a wizard doesn't reverse tell this move on me. I might actually give that a go against a thinking player.

good one^

So this hand comes at the tail end of a very sucky session yesterday, a session that will eventually be recorded as my second worst session ever. Trying to figure out if this is a tilty play, or justified?

This 10 handed 1/3 NL table has just combined from a broken table and is the only table running. Since combining a little while ago, the table has been pretty loosey goosey, so no reason to get out-of-line at all.

Villain has only been here an orbit or so. 30 something male, very slight foreign look (middle eastern?), has laughed out loud at a few hands he's seen played at the table, cockiesh, I've-been-around-a-poker-table-before attitude about him, although I don't believe we've ever played together. This is at least the 3rd small raise he's done preflop (check/folding the others on the flop). He has ~$300, oddly stacked in $75 stacks.

Hero is middle aged white guy and I'm assuming I give off a middle aged white guy nit vibe (although zero history with Villain). I'm stuck huge, but no one knows that. I haven't played a hand since Villain sat down. I barely have Villain covered.

Villain opens to lol $10 in EP. He knows this is going to end up very multiway, because that's what a $10 open at this table does. Surprisingly, only 2 people call. I'm in the SB with AKs.

What's the plan?

Flat, just play a slightly bloated multiway pot with a nice multiway hand and see what happens, playing TP cautiously to hopefully win a medium pot? I think there is an argument for that.

Raise huge to about $90 to commit and just open shove a PSB on any flop (although perhaps slowplay an A/K flop)? I think there is an argument for that too.

I decided to raise to $60. Villain flats, others fold. Pot is $140, we have $240 left (SPR < 2). My plan is to check/shove any non-A/K flop to give me FE against pairs, and if he calls, well, whatever, I should still have decent suck-out equity. 653r flop, I check, he bets $60, I shove.

Is my plan ok? Or is the fact that I have zero history with this Villain make this a tilty plan?

Gtilting?G

Your FE is much higher if you just shove the flop than c/shove imo


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True.

But there's also a chance my hand is best, and I'm cool with letting him get some bluff money in there beforehand.

Course, if he checks back the flop then I might be left in a difficult situation, where a bet on the turn kinda looks FOS.

GcluelessNLnoobG

What kind of errors will V make? If calling errors, raise to $50 pre and cbet only if A or K or flushdraw. If he folds too much, then $50 pre and cbet 100%. If he bluffs too much, raise smaller pre and check-call if you hit flop and maybe even if you miss. If no reads yet, wait for better spot where your edge will be much larger because you pay attention to every hand.

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I would go slightly bigger pre but no big deal.

Also one thing people tend to forget is that they become too attached/entitled to win with a hand they 3 bet with pre. It's really okay to give up on certain boards. You aren't even that shallow to be committed, and this is a really bad board to gii with because pretty much every pair he has in his range is either an overpair, drawing to a straight, or a set, which you are never folding out, especially after he has already bet and put money in.

I mean if you think he could have a lot of random kq/jt/9T type of hands you can easily fold those hands out with a much smaller bet of half pot as they have completely whiffed. If he calls then i would give up unless you hit because people are just not good at folding overpairs.

Snowball, are you saying just check/fold on this board?

Or are you saying cbet and then give up UI? But is that even a good plan? If we cbet just 1/2 PSB, we'll have created a $280 pot, will have $170 left and have put in almost 1/2 our stack. Is giving up at that point a good idea against an unknown?

Course, my biggest problem is trying to design a plan around a relative unknown, and therefore perhaps I should play conservatively until I know?

GcluelessNLnoobG

OOP against an unknown, I would lean towards the conservative plan of flatting and hoping to win a medium-sized pot.

As played, since the bet was small, I would have considered c/c flop, donk non-king, non-ace turn.

Im saying don't shove or crai. If I have less than 160 left then ya i shove.

I think i prefer check and hope to see the turn for free. the board is such that you arent really folding out anything better by betting, and you dont have many bluffs to fold out by crai. It's a better cbet on a less coordinated board.

Doesn't 88/etc. have a hard time calling my check/shove? And even if they manage to, I'm still gonna suck out 25% of the time.

Gno?G

You cant just pick a selective few hands out of a range to justify your decision though.

Sure, maybe you can fold out 88 and 99. What about TT, JJ, QQ (?), 22, 33, 44, 55, 66, 77, 45, 56, 67, and 78? You are doing terrible against this range. You just kind of have to give him a wider range because you have no idea how he plays so im making an assumption that like a typical gambooly llnsl fish he has all those hands in his range.

Again if you think he has a lot of complete air i dont mind betting like 60-70 and give up, but you are already ahead of air so i dont know what betting will accomplish. Trying to c/r him off those hands is unnecessary.

Also i dont know if it's going to look more bluffy if you just open shoved and theyll go with "putting you on AK". But on the other hand the prob is if you c/r then a lot of those hands that can bet are also gunna be priced into calling now, plus you cant control how much they are betting so you would have less FE if they bet a lot.

Villains are average 1/2 rec players. Limping a lot, raising some and playing straight forward. They cover me.

I have 88 in CO and 210 stack.

UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, Mp raises to 10, I call, button calls, blinds call, and limpers call.

Flop 432xxx

Checks around to me I bet 30, only UTG and UTG+1 call.

Turn 9x

They check to me. Pot is 153. What do you like?

check

Bet/Fold $70. Lots of straight draws and combo draws out there where we can still get value from. We're in position so we can take a free river showdown but I think if we check we lose a lot of value. We may value-own ourselves, but it's rare and chances are we'll hear from an overpair on the turn via a check/raise.

Going through an 80-hour break-even stretch so I'm questioning my lines a lot more now. Been noticing I've been running bad in large pots, so I want to make sure to plug any leaks.

9-handed, $1/2, $350 effective, Villain covers.

V is a middle-aged drunk LAGasian sitting on roughly $1600. Hero doubled through when I flopped the nut flush versus his K-high flush and the money went in on the turn. Hero has been very quiet other wise due to being card-dead and the table being truly bonkers for a mid-afternoon on a Monday. Hero has c-bet a few flops and has folded to x/r by villain. Villain has been stradding every hand. He had 100% been raising limpers when he straddled but has slowed down and has been checking his option more recently. Villain is very bluffy, has bluffed in ridiculous spots and has doubled up a couple other players but has also been getting very good value when he's flopped good.

V straddles from UTG+1, two limpers, hero raises to $20 with KK (definite mistake, should have made it $25-30). Folds to V who 3-bets to $105. Hero hasn't seen villain 3-bet at all since I sat down roughly 90-minutes before, so I assign a 3-bet range of JJ+, AK, possibly AQ. Limpers fold. Hero calls with $225 behind, planning on getting it in on any board without an ace as hero expects villain to bet 100% of his range.

Flop is J54

Villain bets $140, hero shoves for $85 more, hating that we don't have the K Villain calls.

Like/Hate my line?

HOLY ****ING ****. I JUST STARTED PLAYING AGAIN THESE PAST COUPLE WEEKS AND THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE NUTS!

Grunch tbh I just shove preflop as he prob will call with his entire 3 ball range(as described) maybe he folds JJ but you are still ahead of his calling range plus FE equal fist pump GII, as played standard against 100 percent c-bet villain

I think I just jam it in pre there against that type of villain deathcab. That's a big 3bet size and screams AK QQ JJ to me. Getting it in pre lets us get full value from those holdings because he will talk himself into calling. God bless him if he has AA, such a cooler.