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Old 12-29-2014, 01:23 AM   #2601
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Is he passive enough to ever be flatting a set here? Seems like a draw pretty much always. I shove. If he calls we have great equity in a large sidepot, and if he folds we have much better equity HU against a wide range for BTN.
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:39 AM   #2602
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Effective stacks: $450 at $1/$2 NL. Tuesday night before Christmas.

UTG limps. He's got me covered. He has been playing a lot of hands. Loose passive. Asian. About 40 years old probably.

I raise in MP with red AA to $12. Button flats. Button had earlier flatted JJ against me and then got it in with JcJx on a three-club flop. UTG flats.

Flop is 2s 4h 6s. UTG checks to me. I bet $30. Button shoves for $127. UTG asks how much and flats.

What is our play here?
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Is he passive enough to ever be flatting a set here? Seems like a draw pretty much always. I shove. If he calls we have great equity in a large sidepot, and if he folds we have much better equity HU against a wide range for BTN.
I think he is definitely passive enough to flat a set.

I just had a real spidey sense go off that he wanted me in the hand and I saw a lot of turn cards that were bad.

Shipping another $300+ into this pot seemed like total spew. I was very confident AA was ahead of the button ship but I was WAAAAAAAY more concerned with the UTG smooth call.
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:43 AM   #2603
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Deep stack 1/2
Taggy reg who has ~0 vpip this session in 1.5h straddles to 5 utg. I open to 20 with QQ 700 eff. Btn, SB and BB call. Reg makes it 130. All my options suck I think.
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Old 12-29-2014, 07:53 AM   #2604
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

I don't think button plays a set this way, so I'm guessing 33/55/FD. With fishy (hopefully) dead money in, I think we reship.
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Old 12-29-2014, 09:08 AM   #2605
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Deep stack 1/2
Taggy reg who has ~0 vpip this session in 1.5h straddles to 5 utg. I open to 20 with QQ 700 eff. Btn, SB and BB call. Reg makes it 130. All my options suck I think.

Is your read that he is a TAG or a nit? If he is really this tight I don't mind a gold though this vet silly looks like a squeeze

Also your image in THIS session is very important here
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Old 12-29-2014, 09:59 AM   #2606
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

He is definitely tag in gen. Swings on the tight side but no nit. I've seen him bluffing in the past. He knows I'm a winning player overall. This session I'm not super active. But obviously my co opening range will be wide.
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Old 12-29-2014, 11:19 AM   #2607
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I don't mind a gold though this vet silly

Sorry about your stroke
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Old 12-29-2014, 01:25 PM   #2608
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New undertitle imo
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Old 12-30-2014, 02:42 PM   #2609
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

1/2. Recently sat, no particular image, been tight so far.

Loose player makes it 7 EP, 1 call, I 3b 27 on button with AKcc, get called by blinds and original 2 players.

Flop AJhh9c. So the 2 EP players have 80-100 left, the 2 blinds easily cover me and I have about 175 behind, checks to me. Not thrilled to put in money on this flop and fold at any point after, so shoving seems appropriate?
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Old 12-30-2014, 04:34 PM   #2610
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I still want value from draws and don't mind variance. I would bet 95 and put the rest in on all turns (probably even Qh).
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Old 12-30-2014, 04:35 PM   #2611
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Effective stacks: $450 at $1/$2 NL. Tuesday night before Christmas.

UTG limps. He's got me covered. He has been playing a lot of hands. Loose passive. Asian. About 40 years old probably.

I raise in MP with red AA to $12. Button flats. Button had earlier flatted JJ against me and then got it in with JcJx on a three-club flop. UTG flats.

Flop is 2s 4h 6s. UTG checks to me. I bet $30. Button shoves for $127. UTG asks how much and flats.

What is our play here?
If loose passive Asian dude can have two pair on this flop, he can have something like 53, 57, A5 in his range. Not to mention he could be flatting with a smaller pocket pair. And if he will flat a SD here let's GII now.
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Old 12-30-2014, 04:49 PM   #2612
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I still want value from draws and don't mind variance. I would bet 95 and put the rest in on all turns (probably even Qh).
i think I agree..I don't think shoving is best here at all.
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:15 PM   #2613
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I still want value from draws and don't mind variance. I would bet 95 and put the rest in on all turns (probably even Qh).


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i think I agree..I don't think shoving is best here at all.

Hmm, I kinda expected the bigger draws from the big stacks would call since they're basically getting 2-1. It's unfortunate stacks aren't set up to bet an amount to get flatted by big stack, small stack shoves behind, betting reopens and reshove against big stack and hold

Results: big stack thought a long time and called J9o, short stack called with whatever, ran out Kx Jx
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Old 12-30-2014, 06:31 PM   #2614
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If loose passive Asian dude can have two pair on this flop, he can have something like 53, 57, A5 in his range. Not to mention he could be flatting with a smaller pocket pair. And if he will flat a SD here let's GII now.
He doesn't have 77-99 ... He had been raising VERY small with those hands - $5-$9 with his medium pairs. So I felt confident ruling that out.

I am dead against 53. If he has 5s 7s, he's 52 percent against two opponents.

If I flat, there is going to be more than $400 in the pot going to the turn. I will have a little more than $300 behind.
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Old 01-02-2015, 10:58 AM   #2615
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Here's a hand. H is new to this table. In the few orbits since sitting, table has been fairly passive, not much raising, very few hands have seen showdown. (For THIS, I left a table that saw 4 all ins in the first orbit after starting. )

Hero has 77 EP, Vs are unknown, although I stacked a now-absent player with KQos on KJxxx board, he had KT. So table might think I value bet reaaalllly thin or am just an idiot for going crazy on a "dangerous" board.

Main V in this hand has been fairly quiet, didn't seem entirely an idiot. Eff stacks ~350, ldo.
One limp, hero 7 (pot sweetener AND a tell), flop goes 6 ways. (pot 42)
Flop A72r

Check, me 35 to get rid of a few players and start building pot. Any A is going nowhere. 2 callers.

(pot ~150)
A72Q, no flush possible.

Me 100, V tank calls, fold. (pot 350)

River A72QJ no flush. Sticky JJ might be in his range, QQ maaaaaybe, KT impossible obv.

V has 150-225 left. His stack was dirty so I couldn't get a good count. Hero has ~325 left.

Hero bets what?
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Old 01-02-2015, 11:12 AM   #2616
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

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Old 01-04-2015, 06:24 PM   #2617
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Okay, tight is right but what is too tight?

At 1/2 200eff, villain: never seen him before, he's been at the table for an hour and has been aggressive pre.

He opens early to 15(this is top of table range of 7-15. I don't know if he varies his pfr size, all others have been 15 I think). You have KQo in HJ. If you are a tight player is this a trivial call or a trivial fold or something else?

I think I'm most concerned about the 4 yet to act behind me, 2 in position. Is folding this an act of paranoia about being out kicked or just standard tightness?

What is the likelihood one of the 5 opponents has AQ+ QQ+, or maybe JJ that might 3bet?

I think I'm paranoid but maybe I'm just tilting from running so cold I think I need to play more hands.
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Old 01-04-2015, 08:25 PM   #2618
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Okay, tight is right but what is too tight?

At 1/2 200eff, villain: never seen him before, he's been at the table for an hour and has been aggressive pre.

He opens early to 15(this is top of table range of 7-15. I don't know if he varies his pfr size, all others have been 15 I think). You have KQo in HJ. If you are a tight player is this a trivial call or a trivial fold or something else?

I think I'm most concerned about the 4 yet to act behind me, 2 in position. Is folding this an act of paranoia about being out kicked or just standard tightness?

What is the likelihood one of the 5 opponents has AQ+ QQ+, or maybe JJ that might 3bet?

I think I'm paranoid but maybe I'm just tilting from running so cold I think I need to play more hands.
Fwiw: I'd be happy see someone behidn me 3betting with AQ/AK behind me as it means that we are never going to be in a spot where we stack off with top pair vs them because they didn't 3bet AK pre like a good player should.

Generally, readless I think this is a fold. Unknown opening reasonably large from EP is ATs, AJo, KQs, KQo, KJs, 88+ and even that might be a touch too loose.
What sort of flop are we hoping for against what hands in that range?
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Old 01-04-2015, 09:00 PM   #2619
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Fwiw: I'd be happy see someone behidn me 3betting with AQ/AK behind me as it means that we are never going to be in a spot where we stack off with top pair vs them because they didn't 3bet AK pre like a good player should.



Generally, readless I think this is a fold. Unknown opening reasonably large from EP is ATs, AJo, KQs, KQo, KJs, 88+ and even that might be a touch too loose.

What sort of flop are we hoping for against what hands in that range?

9TJ ldo
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:28 AM   #2620
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Fwiw: I'd be happy see someone behidn me 3betting with AQ/AK behind me as it means that we are never going to be in a spot where we stack off with top pair vs them because they didn't 3bet AK pre like a good player should.

Generally, readless I think this is a fold. Unknown opening reasonably large from EP is ATs, AJo, KQs, KQo, KJs, 88+ and even that might be a touch too loose.
What sort of flop are we hoping for against what hands in that range?
Thank you. I think I just needed to here something like this to swerve me away from tilting.

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Old 01-09-2015, 11:59 PM   #2621
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Would love some thoughts on this 1/2 hand.

Looser table lots of straddlesi have tight image pretty card dead but likely no ones paying much attention.

V (200)has been at table 30 mins no real reads. She raised up here 1st hand and Cbet 9 high flop and since then has limp folded a few times and limp called a few times

Button straddle 5 bb calls V calls
Hero makes it 25 with akoff

Straddle calls V calls

Flop k97 rainbow checks to hero bets 45 (too small right?)
Button folds V tanks and calls

Turn 8c giving bd club draw on board
V leads 50 hero calls
River As V checks and Hero shoves

Any comments appreciated
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Old 01-10-2015, 08:50 AM   #2622
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Flop sizing is perfect. Gii ott to get value from draws
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Old 01-10-2015, 04:04 PM   #2623
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Hey guys quick line check, don't usually play live nl mostly online plo but decided to go to local poker club last night. Anyway on with the hand
Playing 1/2
Hero = $360
Villan = ~$500

Villian straddles to $5
Hero is mp with QQ

Hero raises to $11
Folds to Villian who cals

Flop pot ($25):
T96
Villian check, Hero bets $16,Villian calls

Turn ($57)
A
Villian checks, Hero Checks

River ($57)
2
Villan bets $35, Hero Calls

Hero is perceived as tight semi aggresive hadn't shown down any weak hands at this point not to long into session though
Villian seems competent hadn't played much hands with him either though.

Question is should we be checking back turn here or double barrelling ? Put him on a pair or over cards on flop so thought turn we just fold out flopped pairs and he only calls with better. Also want to call a bet on the river or bet for value if checked too.

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Old 01-10-2015, 04:15 PM   #2624
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Much bigger pre in general for fat value. $16 - $22 depending table dynamics.

Flop bigger also, 4/5 pot ($20 as played, $25 - $35 depending on pre flop sizing).

Turn depends on what the turn card is...
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Old 01-10-2015, 04:18 PM   #2625
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Yeah meant to make it $16 pre flop but only picked up 2 $5 instead of 3 oh would have helped if i put in turn and river cards ill edit it now thanks, not used to hand writing hand history's
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