Against a range that can call a check raise, or reshove over your cr, you are not doing so well. Since you pretty much have no FE unless they are betting their air or hands that we beat (in which case we wouldnt want them to fold anyways), why not call to realize your equity, given that you are getting such good odds to do so?

In deeper games it's different to check raise, because it's harder for people to commit a lot of their one-pair hands on that board when you are playing deeper.

However a major caveat is that a lot of people (even at mid-high stakes) cant fold their overpairs. I wouldn't try this in general unless you have the read and the image.

His flop bet is wimpy, but it's still into 5 opponents. Plus I've never seen him before and I have no idea what he considers a big bet (he did just bet $35 whole dollars, on the flop!). Against someone I have no history with, I'm really not comfortable trying to get an overpair to fold.

GcallingstationG

Until I get a better handle on Villain's raising range, my default is to fold AQo to raises.

As played I'm feeling pretty committed at this point. But I also feel there is no point in raising since we can easily get stacks in (they'll probably go in next street) and board is drawless. If she checks the turn I would even check the turn back in order to attempt to get value from QQ- on the river (and I'm shoving a ~PSB on the river to get value from these and worse Ax hands).

GcluelessNLnoobG

1/2 NL

H - 30's white guy. 250$
V - 40ish white guy. has sat down 2 orbit ago, no showdown yet but he opened a few hands already. Have seen him open, barrel a dry flop and turn and fold to a decent river bet last orbit. Down to 100$

V in MP opens 11$
H in MP+2 calls with AdQh
BB calls , 3way flop

Flop (34$) - As Ts 4h.
V bets 20, H call, BB fold

Turn (74$) - As Ts 4h 2s
V check, H bets 36, V calls

River (150$) - As Ts 4h 2s 7d
V check, H bets 33, V calls 33 allin

wp?

I normally fold AQ to a raise too. She had raised a couple of times in an orbit or two and she was sitting to play poker while her husband was playing table games. I thought giving her credit for AK+ seemed a little too generous based on her stereotype and appearance. Anyways...

Back to the hand....

2/3 NL

V - middle aged Asian lady. Been at table an orbit or two. Raised once or twice, no showdowns yet. $200.

H - 30's white guy. $800.

Couple of limps to V who raises to $15 in MP. H is next to act w AQo. Hero flats. Couple of callers and we go to a flop.

Flop (~$60) - AK6r. Checks to V. V bets $40. Hero?

Hero flats.

Turn ($140) - K. V bets $100, H shoves for $140. V calls and shows AK and I'm drawing completely DEAD and feel like the biggest fish ever. WTF, that never happens to me.

As time went on, I noticed she was basically raising broadway cards, not just premiums, so don't know if that makes my play less fishy but it's not like I had that info at the time of this hand. Haven't felt that dumb at the poker table in a long time. Sometimes we need to relearn old lessons.

turn easy fold she never has worse

flop i call but im proceeding w extreme caution

I don't mind a hero fold on the flop but I think it might be pretty ridiculous and I don't see myself ever making it

turn is easy fold though, I think we're toast here (without reads)

If I ever see her show up lighter than I think she should be, I'm never folding this, but folding readless in these spots will help your bottom line so much

The turn shove is bad. Flop call is fine.

@ eyerus 1/3 hand

With these stacks (66bbs), we committed ourselves preflop if we hit TP postflop, imo. I'm fine with postflop, although I might even lol just call the turn so she can barrel if she has lolcards / is spewy (and we must be assuming she can show up with lolcards / is spewy if we're calling preflop).

GimoG

idk man that turn lead is so strong and vs a tight asian lady I just don't see calling here on the turn being +ev

I saw a super funny hand go down at my table yesterday

2/5

tightish nerdy looking reg(one of the handful who I actually think is good) opens utg to 25 (I think he started with 450), flatted by old friendly white guy, probably breakeven/slightly loosing player, looks like santa claus

flop J95r

reg bets 25 again (I love this sizing, looks so weak but his range is actually super strong here the board is dry and he can induce bluff raises sometimes), santa claus makes it 75, reg flats

turn T

check, ship, snap

riv 8

santa shows AQ for a straight

The hand is funny because of results obv but I also love the 5x utg and the same bet on flop looks super weak and that is probably what got the guy to spew off... the santa claus guy is usually overall fairly solid

I think most of us would just blindly bet 30 on flop and not gotten the dude to stack off for no reason with ace high

"Tight and Asian" in the same description? Is that even possible? ;-) I basically assigned her a little looser range than AK because she appeared to be just killing some time while her husband was playing Pai Gow. I thought she could pretty realistically play AT/AJ the same. I honestly expected to see her flip over AJ. I guess she has a prison rape story to tell now. Looking back, her bet size on the turn was strong and she definitely showed later on that she bets much smaller with weak or vulnerable hands. That was her only $100 bet the whole night. I still kind of feel like I ran into the top of her range but lesson being almost always give the V the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

Thanks for the input, guys.

yeah dude, benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise FTW

$150 effective (I cover by a lot)

There is a straddle to $5 that's called 5 ways.

In BB with red queens. I make it $40 to go and it folds to V who jams.

He has limp jammed 3-4 times in the last two or three orbits. (I've also only been at the table that long, came from a broken table)

Are we ever folding?

Never folding. History suggests he can have plenty we dominate, unless he's just running amazing. We're getting almost 2 to 1, and his range needs to be even tighter than QQ+ & AK for us to not make money on a call.

Yeah, ok, that's what I was thinking. Obviously he had KK and they held.

At the time I was thinking 10's+, AQs+.

Oh well. I was curious how much the propensity for the limp/reraise to be KK+ at 1/2, 1/3 was a factor if at all in the decision.

I think your range for him is way too tight if you've seen him do it 4 times in three orbits. More like 77+, A8s+, ATo+, KQ, maybe more. QQ is a easy call to me.

Snap call. 100% of the time.

Probably. I guess I err on the side of caution to an extent with relative unknowns. Maybe more than I should because a little less than a year ago I wasn't giving them enough credit.
Thanks I was just making sure.

5/5 150bb effective.

V is asian taggish pro. can check fold if he whiffs. joined table 3 orbits ago. Aggresive from lp, Q9o went to showdown and won with tp.

Hero is looking tight.

Hero opens utg with AKss to 25, 2 callers V in sb 3! to 105.

Hero? Flat or 4!?

I like calling IP with good implied odds. Not super thrilled about 4betting and cbetting ragged flops

farrique I think you've got some options here, we can flat or we can also 4bet/fold, I've done both in this spot before and it's mostly mood/gameflow dependent...personally if it's the first time we have been in this spot, I'm flatting my PPs under KK, and 4bet/folding AK

I had a pretty interesting hand last session

2/5 nl, 700ish deep

I open KTs in MP, flatted by old lawyer guy and mid 20s looking guy on the btn who seems on the tighter/more passive side

flop KJ9

I think this is a decent hand to balance my checking range here so I check, it checks to button who bets 40 into 65, I c/c

turn J check check

riv A

I check he bets 65 into 145, I'm like oh nahhhhhhh no way I pay off this guys AQ or AT or whatever, so I turn my hand into a bluff and make it 200 because I think my hand looks like Jx and I think this guy is capable of folding Ax

4b folding AKs is pretty terrible in this spot

oh it's AKs? My bad. That makes a difference. I think 4bet/folding AKo is fine though

I ended up 4 betting to 285 and folded to a jam. I think he had minimum KK.

Ok another preflop hand from today.

5/5 200 bb effective.

mega fish limps utg. solid pro makes 30 from utg+1 which has strong range. as outfit and attitude textbook of magwep makes 90 from utg+2 which he knows utg+1 has strong range. he is more laggy and thinking side of magwep. folds to me in sb with two black queens. hero?

4b is out of the question with mega fish behind, we'd like to lure him in the pot. The ep 3bet is scary though. In game I prob flat call for the most part

Effective stacks: $450 at $1/$2 NL. Tuesday night before Christmas.

UTG limps. He's got me covered. He has been playing a lot of hands. Loose passive. Asian. About 40 years old probably.

I raise in MP with red AA to $12. Button flats. Button had earlier flatted JJ against me and then got it in with JcJx on a three-club flop. UTG flats.

Flop is 2s 4h 6s. UTG checks to me. I bet $30. Button shoves for $127. UTG asks how much and flats.

What is our play here?