It seems like you definitely are.

Here's maybe just a random question. If Villain thinks like you, and he had a set, wouldn't he have also just called the flop, as you did? Why did you call the flop? I know you have an actual answer for this question...but if Villain raises the flop with a set after you just called with one, he clearly isn't thinking like you. And if you know he's not thinking like you, I think it's way too presumptive to assume that you know he's thinking differently from you in one specific way (raising the flop with a set instead of slowplaying) but not another one (realizing that EP has an overpair and you can be slowplaying).

From everything you have posted, your calling range in most spots are literally a handful, and your raising range is even smaller.

And the fact that you still manage to get paid off just makes me think your pool is really soft.

Have I ever said my pool isn't soft? Of course it's soft, that's why I make money.

Gbutthere'sstillanon-******edplayersprinkledinhereandthereG

Villain is in a slightly different spot than me in that I could *possibly* be on a draw, and so he'd like to charge me if that's the case (admittedly, he ain't charging me that much). I still think he takes more time to contemplate what I could have with non-nuttish hands.

Anyways, I just posted the hand cuz a couple people asked and I didn't want to bog down the chat thread.

Well, then it goes back to that list of two things. It's hard to imagine people capable of reading them if your pool is this poor.

Think about it, even if V is capable, he has to assume EP is capable of knowing when to cbet.

I must be missing RPs point. Don't the majority of opponents who raise AK check 6way whiffed flops and moan about how they never hit?

Or are guess you are more saying that EP is terrible enough to stack off here, and yet not terrible enough to cbet with air, or something like that? If so, I think this really comes down to the level of "badness" that you encounter in poker room regs versus absolute poker noobs (which is quite different).

So you're saying that EP is not going to cbet with less than overpair against a large field and that's the norm in your game?

Do you kind of get where I am going with this? You can't make assumption of a higher lvl playing if you can't establish strong reads of a lower lvl.

2/5

Hero ($500)(CO+3) is a 20s white male. Perceived image is probably Lag to V2 and Tag to V1. Haven't shown down anything in the hour I've been at the table except 1 hand where I flopped a set.

V1 ($800)(LJ) is an early 30s 5/T player. Plays too many hands but is still a big winner. Have history with him so he knows I'm tag/nitty.

V2 (covers)(BTN) late 40's white male. Also plays 5/T and has been playing solid tag so far. Haven't seen him get out of line yet. Definitely a winning player and capable of making moves. Seems to be slightly annoyed that I'm sorta running over the table. Either that or he did too much coke, not sure.

Hero opens to $20 with QJo, both V's call.

Flop($61) J53r
Hero bets $25, V1 quickly calls, V2 snap raises to $75, Hero?

I underbet OTF to try to induce spazz from V1 and because it's such a dry board. My sizing has always been bigger on previous cbets, like at least 55% of the pot. This seems like a good spot for V2 to squeeze because I'm sure he puts me on a wide range and thinks that I'm cbetting this flop ~100%. Any thoughts appreciated.

Your thought boat has sailed on me RP, I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Such a dry board for him to make a move on. I would fold and not really think too much about it.

Also how are you running over the table and yet you have 100bb?

What is CO+3? Likely to be opening QJo too early. Your hand isnt that good to induce, if you are trying to bluff catch really aggro players then i rather take the check call line.
Actually i dont give credit to players raising on dry boards without further info/history. They always pick the most stupid spots to bluff and this is one that I frequently see. That and hero underbet here on purpose.

Ur a girl...pricks always gonna try and outplay you or soft play you.

I agree re: underbetting...rather just c/c if we are expecting some aggro dynamic.

Contrary to stereotypes, no one soft plays me or tells me their hands or whatever you might expect in my game.

So my opinion is obv correct

I bought in for 40bb because I'm underrolled for 2/5, and the 1/2 games are terrible here.



I was directly to the right of the lojack. I agree opening here is thin, but this table was pretty tight (the 2 fish left as soon as I sat down, fml), including the big blind, so I thought it would be +ev.

I guess check call is best, but if they're expecting me to cbet like always here, then the aggro dynamic kinda goes away once I check, right? Idk

It's a good board to cbet for sure.
If you think they are aggro enough to do that then you kinda have to call down on blank boards.

I was in a similar hand before where I got c/rd with QJs on Jack high dry as the pfr, and called an all in on the turn. It was against a wizard kid who turned TTs into a bluff so i mean it's very player dependent.

FPS gone wrong.

Not sure why you're FPS'ing when you're under-rolled...

FWIW, I think that's a hell of a read and a hell of a fold, well done. Obviously not a routine play to make against most Vs but good to see you listened to your instincts about V's tendencies and you were right.

Because I'm a fish!

Results:


My thinking at the time may have been FPS'y but was my line? I mean, I guess maybe I should've bet like 30 or 35 but I think a smaller cbet is optimal on this board, right?

You said your intention is to induce and then you folded?

Yeah to induce V1. Once V1 flats my cbet and V2 raises I think that V2's range contains less air and more value hands because now he has to bluff 2 opponents instead of 1. I also thought he might size it a little bigger if he was squeezing. But yeah, I'm not trying to justify my poor play.

1/2 200 Max

Hero (SB): Young 20s male. Sitting on 450 but is in for 400 (Villain doesn't know this). I think I had the biggest stack at the table at the time.
Villain 1 (MP): 40s or 50s male. Just came from a broken table and this is the very first hand he was dealt in. So I can definitely be way wrong but my soul read is he looks like a regular that likes to raise a lot and run over the table. 200.
Villain 2 (EP): Shorter stacked, not really important.

Pre: V2 limps, V1 raises to 7, LP calls, Hero 3bets to 32 with AKo, V2 shoves for 40-50, V1 4bets to 90, LP folds, Hero????

Thoughts: First I should have made it at least 40 on my 3bet. Almost positive V2 just wants a shot at tripling up and has a low pair or a couple face cards at best. Now to V1. Where I play a 4bet pre that isn't a shove is insanely rare. I doubt I've seen it 10 times in my years playing. I think there's a small chance he might view my play as trying to make a move as a bigger stack but his range has to be 95% premiums.

Now I do have AK which lowers the chances of him having AA or KK. QQ seems most likely with a smaller chance of JJ. Let's say we are currently flipping with him, what's my play? Do I flat pre? If an A or K comes out he will probably shut down no? Do I just fold?

With only $32 invested in the pot and knowing you're going to get to see his hand, I'd fold. BEST case, you're flipping, worst case, you're crushed. You have blockers to the AA and KK but even if he does have JJ or QQ, V2 can have some of your outs. Also a decent chance he has AK too.

If I was going to play the hand, I'd shove, not flat. Assuming JJ or QQ, we are only going to flop a pair 1/3 of the time so if we call $90 pre, we are going to whiff and lose 2/3 of the time as opposed to winning 1/2 the time when we shove vs. undercards. If you flat, you are going to win less money when you hit and lose every time you whiff the flop.

I'm usually opening my whole range for the same $ amount, just varying based on position and # of limpers at 1/2 and 1/3.

I dont think that this hand is very difficult, but I find myself having trouble adjusting to unknowns that like to short-stack in situations like this:

1/3 NL Saturday afternoon game

V: ($175) - 40s white guy, looks like a rec player, no real reads
H: ($250) - early 20s white kid, no reads as V just sat down

V limps in EP, OMC calls in LP, H looks down at 88 in the BB and raises to $16, Both flat call.

Flop: ($45) 525

H leads out for $25, V quickly raises to $135 (leaving $40 behind??), OMC folds

Hero?


I feel like the 5 hits his l/c range, as people love to l/c garbage like 57 here regardless of position. But thought with the raise sizing that it was almost certainly a FD. I just feel like I run into these spots where shortstackers make weird, non-sensical plays and have no idea if they are trying to "bet big to get me off a draw" with a 5 or whatever kind of reasoning they come up with - or just random spew plays.