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Old 02-24-2012, 12:51 AM   #226
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

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It's pretty silly and it should be funny, but it tilts the hell out of me. What do I do? How can I block this person out? He talks non stop trying to sell pirated porn or tvs or used cars, his mouth literally doesn't close ever. When he's running "bad" he talks EVEN more. Playing with this tool 3 days a week is mentally draining.
Potential solutions, in no particular order:

1. Change tables
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4. If your casino permits, iPod and headphones
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:51 AM   #227
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Unfortunately no, there's only one table. I can either play here or nowhere because the casino is ****ty.
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:17 AM   #228
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How can I block this person out?
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/...t_15/index.jsp

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Old 02-24-2012, 10:13 AM   #229
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5/10 1000 max game.

Hero: just sat down but has got hit with the deck and is up 1600 in about a half hour. my stack is 2400.

Main villain was stuck earlier in game(from what I've heard I didn't witness anything) and went on a run in BJ and came back and bought in for the max. Younger most likely my age, seems to be friendly and ready to gamble to get back even. Has been very aggressive so far but is relatively unknown to me other than that. I would consider him capable of making a move though. He's sitting on a 1200 stack.

I have JTo(jack of spades) OTB with 5 limpers in front of me. I limp along and both blinds come in as well.

8 to the flop of 9105 ($80)

SB leads for 30. EP makes it 60. 1 caller then LP (who ends up being main villain in hand) makes it 90 (WTF?!). Folds to me and I say "enough of this limit ****" and make it 250. Folds around to LP and he makes it 530. I think about reshoving but decide to just flat and get away from the hand if he continues and I completely brick turn.

Turn comes 8 ($1290) He shoves. Costing me 660ish to win 2600.

Easy call? Easy fold? Is everyone else bailing after the flop raise?
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:19 AM   #230
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Get me in this game! Why are you turning your hand into a bluff? This flop is multiway, wiht 8 people! I don't know why you are raising TPDK with 2 people showing initial interest, i SNAP fold the flop.

As played I still fold. 1/2 PSB with no money back and we are 25% to beat flopped top 2 pair (I'm thinking top 2 is the middle of his range, i mean look at this action so far)
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:38 AM   #231
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5/10 1000 max game.

Hero: just sat down but has got hit with the deck and is up 1600 in about a half hour. my stack is 2400.

Main villain was stuck earlier in game(from what I've heard I didn't witness anything) and went on a run in BJ and came back and bought in for the max. Younger most likely my age, seems to be friendly and ready to gamble to get back even. Has been very aggressive so far but is relatively unknown to me other than that. I would consider him capable of making a move though. He's sitting on a 1200 stack.

I have JTo(jack of spades) OTB with 5 limpers in front of me. I limp along and both blinds come in as well.

8 to the flop of 9105 ($80)

SB leads for 30. EP makes it 60. 1 caller then LP (who ends up being main villain in hand) makes it 90 (WTF?!). Folds to me and I say "enough of this limit ****" and make it 250. Folds around to LP and he makes it 530. I think about reshoving but decide to just flat and get away from the hand if he continues and I completely brick turn.

Turn comes 8 ($1290) He shoves. Costing me 660ish to win 2600.

Easy call? Easy fold? Is everyone else bailing after the flop raise?
A preflop raise would have been much better than a call.

A flop fold is also warranted. 4betting with just TPGK is generally a bad idea.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:44 AM   #232
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Quick line check:

No read on villain, as she has just come back to the table from grabbing take out and I haven't seen her play a hand yet. She's a 20-something Israeli girl. I have $210, she covers.

2 limpers, I am on the button with AQ, I raise to $11, she calls in the SB, limpers both call.

Flop: ($40) QsQc4s

Checks to me, I bet $30, she calls, others fold.

Turn: ($100) Jh

She checks, I bet $60, she calls.

River $220 8d

She leads for $70.

Anybody fold or shove as opposed to call? I have $110 behind, she covers.
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:01 AM   #233
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

She is repping 109/88. I fold quickly. Don't pay off woman, they play a tight range/they are loose as hell. So giving no reads you can call or fold. Tough spot imo.
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Old 02-26-2012, 06:23 AM   #234
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

River Decision:

2/5

Target open limps in MP ($500)
I isolate with JTos to 30 immediately to his left ($1600)
TAG to my left calls (he is kind of nitty) ($500)
Two other spots on the table call and target calls (5 handed to flop)

Pot is 145
Flop is AKQr
checks to me I bet 50
TAG calls, target calls

Turn is 6c for BDFD
Pot is 295
Check, I bet 150
TAG calls, target folds

River is the Qc

Pot is 595 (effective stacks are ~245 behind)

This is a clear check/fold right?

I mean, check/fold > jamming > check/calling

Also, I should be betting closer to pot and jamming the turn right?

I wanted to bait in the target/spots on the table and I feel I butchered this hand
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Old 02-26-2012, 06:25 AM   #235
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She is repping 109/88. I fold quickly. Don't pay off woman, they play a tight range/they are loose as hell. So giving no reads you can call or fold. Tough spot imo.
Folding here is awful imo

Easy call and move on

Jamming is probably best

Her line is strong but the problem is that she could have Qx and think its the nuts
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:41 AM   #236
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Quick line check:

No read on villain, as she has just come back to the table from grabbing take out and I haven't seen her play a hand yet. She's a 20-something Israeli girl. I have $210, she covers.

2 limpers, I am on the button with AQ, I raise to $11, she calls in the SB, limpers both call.

Flop: ($40) QsQc4s

Checks to me, I bet $30, she calls, others fold.

Turn: ($100) Jh

She checks, I bet $60, she calls.

River $220 8d

She leads for $70.

Anybody fold or shove as opposed to call? I have $110 behind, she covers.
She plays any queen this way, possibly a busted draw too. I'm not sure if you are >50% though so I would just call. Folding isn't even an option IMO.


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River Decision:

2/5

Target open limps in MP ($500)
I isolate with JTos to 30 immediately to his left ($1600)
TAG to my left calls (he is kind of nitty) ($500)
Two other spots on the table call and target calls (5 handed to flop)

Pot is 145
Flop is AKQr
checks to me I bet 50
TAG calls, target calls

Turn is 6c for BDFD
Pot is 295
Check, I bet 150
TAG calls, target folds

River is the Qc

Pot is 595 (effective stacks are ~245 behind)

This is a clear check/fold right?

I mean, check/fold > jamming > check/calling

Also, I should be betting closer to pot and jamming the turn right?

I wanted to bait in the target/spots on the table and I feel I butchered this hand
Huh? Unless TAG isn't really TAG and is passively calling with AA, KK, and AQ then I don't see how this is a check-fold. If he's really a TAG, you are beat my exactly 2 combos of KQs and that is it. Not to mention that checking might induce a bluff since a flush hit and people like to represent those. I check/call

What's the point of jamming? What's going to call your jam?

Also, the bolded part is what I was thinking as I read the hand.

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Old 02-26-2012, 12:28 PM   #237
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

Nit raiser makes it $8 preflop. He is ideal for set mining, with the perfect stack size of $200. His range here is literally AK and JJ++. 3 callers and Hero ($200) is in the SB with 87 . Is this a mandatory call? I hate playing in the SB since we are OOP, but our implied odds are good. I like to post marginal preflop call lines as this is nearly as marginal as I am OOP.

A 3 bet bluff is obviously horrendous vs this villains range, though it does cross my mind if villain is wider pre and say in MP and I have a nit image.

Also, hero has QJ in bb. MP ($200) makes it $6 (range is never a great holding for $6) 2 calls. Hero ($220)? Calls, or 3bet?

As played hero calls. Nit limper (same as above) ($200) from UTG re raises to $22. 2 calls, hero? Limp re raiser has a range of AA, KK, QQ. I will have to c/fold so many flops but if I flop 2pair+ or OESFD I am almost always getting it in good and he's never folding
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:38 PM   #238
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A preflop raise would have been much better than a call.

A flop fold is also warranted. 4betting with just TPGK is generally a bad idea.
The limp is fine, and raising would be fine too.

The flop action is.. horrible? I probably would have folded to the 90 and certainly would not have raised.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:41 PM   #239
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Nit raiser makes it $8 preflop. He is ideal for set mining, with the perfect stack size of $200. His range here is literally AK and JJ++. 3 callers and Hero ($200) is in the SB with 87 . Is this a mandatory call? I hate playing in the SB since we are OOP, but our implied odds are good. I like to post marginal preflop call lines as this is nearly as marginal as I am OOP.

A 3 bet bluff is obviously horrendous vs this villains range, though it does cross my mind if villain is wider pre and say in MP and I have a nit image.

Also, hero has QJ in bb. MP ($200) makes it $6 (range is never a great holding for $6) 2 calls. Hero ($220)? Calls, or 3bet?

As played hero calls. Nit limper (same as above) ($200) from UTG re raises to $22. 2 calls, hero? Limp re raiser has a range of AA, KK, QQ. I will have to c/fold so many flops but if I flop 2pair+ or OESFD I am almost always getting it in good and he's never folding
I would pretty happily call with 78s there. At least for the PFR its not a huge deal to be OOP if his range is that well defined. Its not like you will be in a lot of tough situations when you flop 1 pair with no draws. And I would imagine it won't be too hard to extract value when you do hit a flop, even being OOP.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:55 PM   #240
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Re: Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

^^ thats what I figured, of all the times of being OOP this seemed to be the easiest/he wasnt ever folding. Flop play is interesting, I wouldnt mind posting after I get a couple mroe responses on the preflop in both hands
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Old 02-26-2012, 06:44 PM   #241
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so here's a hand from last night. i was OK with the fold here but obviously wish i had called.

eff. stacks: $450. $1/$2 nl

hero raises to $12 in MP with Kd Qh. three callers

Flop is 9d 6d 2c. I can tell there's interest in the hand so I check back.

Turn is a Qc. I bet about 2/3 the pot. One caller from an asian who didn't seem very good. BB raises my $30 to $100 ... he had seemed very interested on teh flop and i hadn't seen him get out of line before, so I fold. asian calls.

River is a 7c. BB puts asian all-in for about $60 more and asian calls and wins with QJ.

gave the BB way too much credit.

still the right fold, though, i think.
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:48 PM   #242
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he had seemed very interested on teh flop and i hadn't seen him get out of line before, so I fold.
Good fold, imo. Now you have seen him get out of line, so different line might be better next time...
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:00 PM   #243
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1/2 home game, 4 handed, 500bb effective, i'm in the SB with JJ, asian aggressive older lady raises to 12, hero 3bets or flats? I know it sounds kinda silly, and i know i'm way ahead of her 3bet calling range, but it's just super mega deep
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:20 PM   #244
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1/2 home game, 4 handed, 500bb effective, i'm in the SB with JJ, asian aggressive older lady raises to 12, hero 3bets or flats? I know it sounds kinda silly, and i know i'm way ahead of her 3bet calling range, but it's just super mega deep
3bet. I would probably make it on the larger side. If you are uncomfortable 3betting JJ here you may want to consider avoiding playing so deep.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:23 PM   #245
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3bet. I would probably make it on the larger side. If you are uncomfortable 3betting JJ here you may want to consider avoiding playing so deep.
45$? This will make the pot 100 with 900 behind, SPR of 9 is pretty awkard i think...no?
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:48 PM   #246
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45$? This will make the pot 100 with 900 behind, SPR of 9 is pretty awkard i think...no?
Throw SPR out the window when playing this deep. As a default, you're not playing for stacks
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:51 PM   #247
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Throw SPR out the window when playing this deep. As a default, you're not playing for stacks
Since I am out of position, and I wont have full control over the pot size...how much should I plan this pot to be if we r getting to sd?
I know that this is a very general question, but Im just new to deep stack play
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:16 PM   #248
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Since I am out of position, and I wont have full control over the pot size...how much should I plan this pot to be if we r getting to sd?
I know that this is a very general question, but Im just new to deep stack play
Thx
Is it folded to you...i.e. pot is $15? Does the BB seem interested? 3bet 35-45 depending on BB

before deciding auto 3bet is a must because "zomg I have a premium PP" you have to consider some disadvantages at play in the dynamics

1) You are new to deep stack play (possible skill deficit)
2) You are oop + playing against an aggro villain
3) You may get 4betted (almost always with a better hand) and have to see if it warrants turning JJ into a setmining hand (are you comfortable playing for stacks?)
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Old 02-27-2012, 12:08 AM   #249
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Is it folded to you...i.e. pot is $15? Does the BB seem interested? 3bet 35-45 depending on BB

before deciding auto 3bet is a must because "zomg I have a premium PP" you have to consider some disadvantages at play in the dynamics

1) You are new to deep stack play (possible skill deficit)
2) You are oop + playing against an aggro villain
3) You may get 4betted (almost always with a better hand) and have to see if it warrants turning JJ into a setmining hand (are you comfortable playing for stacks?)
No BB was almost always folding, my thought process was to let her bluff the hand away, I didn't 3 bet her before and I didn't wanna give tyre strength of my hand away, I also think she is capable of 4 bet bluffing, just because she sees me as a nit...i don't mind playing for stacks if my hand improves... Yes I'm new to deepstack but I believe I still have a huge skill edge over her...she's just a maniac..
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No BB was almost always folding, my thought process was to let her bluff the hand away, I didn't 3 bet her before and I didn't wanna give tyre strength of my hand away, I also think she is capable of 4 bet bluffing, just because she sees me as a nit...i don't mind playing for stacks if my hand improves... Yes I'm new to deepstack but I believe I still have a huge skill edge over her...she's just a maniac..
the bold was not stated before. then in that case I flat and ch/call
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