I just call. If you wanted to go for fatter value, why not bet again on the turn?

No idea what you think you’re getting called by with a river raise?

$1-3 live, 7-handed. UTG (after a recent bad beat), blind shoves $61 before the cards are dealt. Folds to hero OTB with KJo. SB and BB unlikely to call or resteal.

KJo has to be good against a random hand, but is it 30BB good? What are our thresholds for hands at 30BB? What is our threshold for the blind shove amount to where we might fold KJ?

I wouldn't call this a common occurrence but I have been in similar spots a few times.

Agree with wrath, what are you hoping will call at this point? AT? QT? 99? JJ is kind of a bluff catcher or value-pwn catcher (meaning you're hoping V is betting a T and not a 7).

If you knew for certain that bb/sb were folding you should snap this off just by seeing the K. The other card literally doesn't matter.
The fact that its 30bb should only matter if somehow it's a large portion of your bankroll. And if that's the case, then you're seriously underrolled anyway, so screw it and gambool.

Even with the uncertainty about bb/sb I'm still playing. Just a question of calling vs raising to $120. Calling likely the best play.

(Its also only 20bb)

Right. Fingers faster than my brain today.

Either that or its because the $1-2 games are all $1-3 in my area now and I'm still adjusting.

I was more worried about SB calling if anyone was going to call. He was tight and aggressive at a very passive table, and the only player who 3-bet me all night (though this was only one time). The BB was the penny pinching short stack type, too passive to raise with AK pre. BB had hit a hand and was sitting on $200, though. IF he happened to have a hand and I raised to $120 he could shove and I might be forced into a call.

And I distinctly remember folding K9 in a similar situation, and I was even closing action in the BB. I guess I should be kicking myself now?

7 Handed 2-3 game, 600 MAX, hero has approximately ~1000 back, hero in BB

Hero previously 3b! KQxc on the button to 45, 4 way flop (180) AKQccx, where HJ villain donk lead all 3 streets after bricks on turn and river and Hero sigh called river where HJ showed up with AJxc

HJ loose player (approximately 800 back) opens to 11, button calls, hero sees AJcc in the BB, and hero squeezes to 65, HJ 4b! to 161 and hero calls. Flop 9d3c6d, hero checks, HJ cbets 160... is it profitable/ can hero float in this spot with 2 overs and backdoor nut flush draw versus splashy opponent?

I suck at deepstack but...

I might just flat preflop. It's a very small raise, I have a hand that plays well multiway so I'm fine going 3way to the flop, I don't want to bloat a pot OOP and taking down $22 preflop when we're playing $800+ deep ain't exactly a huge coup. I also don't want to get 4bet and have to sacrifice my 3bet $$$ and equity by having to fold.

Think it's a trivial fold to the 4bet. We're OOP and the last time this guy only flatted a 3bet with AJo (into a pot that had other huge dead money no less) and now we think he has worse? Putting in a huge 20% of our stack preflop OOP seems horrible to me.

Also seems like a trivial fold to the flop cbet. If we call, we'll have just a 75% PSB left. What, we're hoping he checks behind on the turn and then we can punt off on blank rivers to make him fold AK? And nothing in the previous HH makes him like hugely splashy / bluffy / etc.; he calls a 3bet with 2 big cards and donks 3 streets with TP (ok, maybe not a great runout to get value from worse but it's not like he bluffing / betting 99s the whole way).

GbutIsuckatdeepstack,sowhateverIguessG

Squeeze is fine, I don't mind calling either, we can play this multiway.

I fold to the 4bet and I don't think it's close without unusual reads. You are making a stack-committing call with AJs, what do you think his range is here? Are you happy to GII if you flop top pair when villain bets flop/jams turn?

LOL @ calling flop. Put a frisky 4bet range into an equity calculator and see how we stack up. I think we have 25% at best and we're OOP. Our overs are not clean outs so we basically need to hit a two outer to be good.

Thank you,
I think I'll look into flatting situations like this next time. I wanted to tighten his range, but in retrospect AJsuited is good enough OOP to just flat and evaluate. I believed to have put him on 99+, QJs +, KQo+, ATs+, villain had been playing big pots during the time I was at the table with other opponents too. Thank you again

For me the biggest considerations to flat versus 3bet boil down to hand, stack size and position. So my considerations here would be something like:

- with offsuit hands, we're cooler ending the hand ASAP and/or narrowing the field (even though, honestly, it's unlikely we're ending the hand with a 3bet to this small open sizing unless it's a huge 3bet); suited we're a little more cool with continuing and playing postflop (even multiway); it's also not as big a mistake getting ourselves into a situation where we have to fold the offsuit hands preflop if we face a 4bet (whereas it is a bigger mistake getting ourselves in this spot with the suited hands)
- with smaller stacks and the money currently in the middle representing decent money (relative to stacks), the more we're cool risking going after it and simply playing for high hand strength ASAP; deeper, not as much
- in position we're cooler with building a big pot; OOP, especially deeper, not as much

Gjustsomeconsiderations,imoG

All of this pretty much. +1.

Your play reminds me of this guy who 3!/called my 4! with KQo. You know what I call him? “Spazz.”

(Just a tad bitter because we got it in on JT4 and I lost.)

That seems optimistic for a 4bet range and we're still a big dog (and OOP) so should fold.

If his opens are as ridiculously wide as that 4bet range would indicate, then squeezing seems mandatory but we are still behind when he 4 bets. So say he's opening 30% or something in HJ and 4betting 6.45%, we print money by 3betting AJc and can fold when he 4bets.

But I think just because we see him flat a 3bet with AJo, that does not mean he 4bets every hand > AJo. IME live players flat a lot more than they should and 4bets tend to be QQ+/AKo.

2-3 game 9 handed, 2 limps then hj bets 12 (460 effective) Hero in small blind (covers villain) with 10h10d squeeze to 55, hj then shoves remaining stack and hero sigh folds (flipping at best) then villain says “if you keep 3 betting me I’m going to shove”,
I have been playing maybe 10-15% of hands in the 3 hours I have been here so far but have 3 betted ~60-70% of those hands, also reason I 3betted was because he seemed weak opening 12 after 2 limpers. Villain also had been playing a bunch of hands, maybe 30-40%, both limping and raising

Question:
1.is TT ever set mineable
2. Is TT a good candidate to 3b squeeze
3. Can I call off ~450 more (might be a dumb question)

1. Yes.
2. Yes depending on range. Here it's a pure value raise.
3. Fold if this is his first 4bet shove.

If he is raising 30%-40% I would narrow my 3bet to something like TT+/AQ+ against his raises and call if he shoves again to the first time we do it. If he folds or flats, it's time to start widening our 3bets again but pick which part of range we are folding to a shove.

$2/5 "Bomb Pot" 8 handed
$25 from each player, see a flop, then action begins

67

Q29 ($200)

Guy leads $50, I call, older man I play with regularly calls, and call

10 ($400)

Checks, I decide to check here as I see older man is about to bet... He does, $500.
Folds to me, I have $1400, he covers

Thinking and older man says "I'm there, I got it... I'll show"

While I’m grateful you no longer post these in the chat thread, shouldn’t there at least be a question somewhere in your post?

Otherwise...you know where BBV is

You don't specify position. This is a major omission. Position is critical in a bomb pot, because so many hands are out there that it increases the likelihood of nutted hands being in play. The position of the first bettor is going to have a lot of impact, and so it yours, and the position of the old guy.

If the opener was first to act and I was second, i would fold in a heartbeat, as there are too many people acting after me who could wake up with the nuts and push me off whatever equity I had. If the old guy had the button and I was in the cutoff, I might play, but I would still be wary.

In most configurations, I think this is going to be a fold to the very first flop bet.

PS: Don't. Post. Results. Not even inside a spoiler tag. Just don't do it.

1. Yes, maybe the most mineable hand.
2. Yes, especially if you knew the limpers.
3. Maybe you could fade the bet, but not the speech. Aces. If he had made a steal, he would have kept his mouth shut. Good lay-down.

I always really watch the players during bomb-pot games -- it can take them some time to figure out that the nuts are more likely be shown. It can take hours, it can take never.

As Mr. Bostick suggested this might easily be a fold OTF. After the old guy showed, it's still probably a fold. If they are intent on stacking off, might as well wait for a hand and maybe get tripled through.

5/5 1000 Cap game, 8 handed, currently 7 handed, 10 minutes into the session,
about 1100 effective where villain covers us
Hero HJ open to 25 with AKss, villain in CO (no reads, looks like a solid asian male unsure being early into the session) 3b! to 105, folds back to hero and hero 4b! to 420, where villain folds in about 10-15 seconds.

Question: what is the correct sizing with these stack sizes for me to 4b!?

Being OOP post flop I was thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.5x-4x is good, but do I really want to keep villain in OOP with whatever range he 3b! with and only make it 2.5x-3x?

Thank you

I, too, am curious as to what the correct 4-bet size is in this spot but how did you arrive at thinking 3.5x - 4x is a good 4-bet size?

Also, why did you choose to 4-bet an unknown with AKs over flatting?

Was thinking I was at the top of my range along the lines of AA, KK, AKs, and sometimes QQ, where flatting makes it look like I have JJ, TT, 99, KQs, & sometimes/rarely QJs or JTs, which overlaps with most of his 3b! range, where if I flatted, I "block" his merge range.

I was thinking I'd be okay with getting it all-in pre, as I do block AA and KK, and will be flipping most times, but if I just flat, I let villain control pot with his range and in position.

The sizing: I thought 4x was the size being OOP, because if I made it 275-300, most of his range can call being in position + he can trap call some percentage of the time.

Just need help if my ideology is correct, thank you

there's nothing wrong with picking up $105 pre flop with AK.

If he's decent, you're not doing brilliantly against his continuing range...

what's your plan for flops you whiff?