That rake is *disgusting*. What's the maximum BI? Any rake if a pot is taken down preflop (i.e. taking down huge dead money preflop untaxed will be a big part of your strategy)? Unless stacks are deep and opponents are horrendous, it will be a tough game to beat for anything to write home about, imo.

My 1/3 NL game has a 10% rake up to $8 + $1 BBJ drop (plus typically a $1 tip on a hand). It's maximum BI is $400 although many people BI for far less (the minimum being $100, the average BI likely being in the $250 area). Still beatable, but would have to be one of the best players in the room to be able to crush it. Your rake looks to be much worse than this.

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€100 - €500 for the one with the rake + hourly pay
http://www.viage.be/wp-content/uploa...I2djewgh7rrl38

Pot 20€ - 38€: Rake 2€
Pot 40€ - 58€: Rake 4€
Pot 60€ - 98€: Rake 6€
Pot > 100€: Rake max. 8€
+ 4€/hour

€50 - €400 for the other one

not sure about the other stuff, I haven't played there in years
was thinking about taking a shot at it today, but not sure if it's worth my time if the rake is not beatable, which sounds like something the Belgian gambling commission would do



let's say I am (or can become) good enough to make €10 / hour in these games
I'd make like €6 or €8 / hour because of the increased rake?
and then lose another €4 / hour because of the hourly rake?
so I should be able to beat these games for €2 - €4 / hour right?

maybe more? not sure what win rates in 2/2 games are these days and how rake affects that

I'm also guessing these games will be softer because of the high rake?
Since they're way less attractive to sharks?

Without playing in the game it will be tough to tell. If everyone is BIing for the max and sucks horribly, then you have a chance at doing fine. If everyone is BIing much shorter and not punting money, it'll be pretty difficult.

Nothing wrong with taking some shots and eventually coming to your own conclusions.

Ghavefunanddon'texpectmuch,imoG

That rake is beatable if the games are fishy enough. You want people raising 5bb and getting 2 or 3 callers with people sitting on > 100bb. If standard stack size is 100bb or less and opens are 2.5bb and EP opens often fold the blinds uncontested, you're in trouble.

I played it last night, standard open was 6bb - 8bb often times it was more
Some of the time it was folded around some of the time there were 1-3 callers.
Noticed some limping as well but not as much as I expected.

Thursday night though, I even knew some of the people at the table, they were all regs.

Saw some very weird hands being shown down as well.

Didn't play for too long, since I only brought one buy-in and made a "little" mistake early in the game.
Time to save up another €200 and try again I guess!

5/5/10
Regs opens to 35 (he is down a bit and seems semi-tilted).
I look down at QsKs in SB, What are best options (400BB deep)

My guess is that pretty much every game you'll find nowadays is pretty much 99% reg infested. Not that the regs are experts, but it ain't ain't anyones first rodeo either.

Ggoodluck!G

Where is OR positioned? I'm either 3betting to $160 or calling.

Reg position matters.

Oops my bad reg was positioned in the CO

3bet to $160.

Seems like an easy 3bet for value vs. a standard CO range.

Line check please. 1/2, $400 effective, 9 handed. Villain is a LAG and a bit of a station.

OTTH

Folded to villain in HJ who opens to $18, hero 3 bets to $60 with A T from CO and villain calls.

Flop ($123): Q 8 7. X-x.

Turn ($123): 2. Villain checks, hero bets $80, villain raises to $180 and hero sigh folds assuming he has no fold equity and only 12 outs.

This hand was annoying. Even dealing with a station, with given action this is a bet every time on the turn, right? Was the sizing too big? I wanted to set up a shove for any or A river.

You're getting 3.8:1 on the turn -- if this person plays for even $30 on the river you have odds to call on the turn...especially if your A is ever good.

That said, I think I'd rather just c-bet the flop. I think this texture is fine/good for our range, so I'd just range bet like $55 here and make him decide what to do first. Has the added benefit of letting you free card when either of your backdoor draws starts coming in, or if you catch an A and want to play for some SDV/bluffcatch on rivers.

Kind of funny because I was just heavily involved in a conversation involving limping AK in EP and here I am.

V is more of a casual player but is not horrendous. Raising pre a little too much, over valuing hands a little bit but not as bad as the normal donkey. He does have a habit of raising about 50% of the time on his BTN straddle leading us into:

1/3
V is the BTN straddle.

SB completes
BB completes
(400)H UTG AKo calls
1 more caller
(400)V makes it 25
SB calls 25
BB folds
H makes it 125
folds around
BTN goes all in

Ive put in 30% of my stack. Even though BTN has raised a large % of his straddles he has not shown this much aggression with a big bet pre before. Pretty standard call off or find a better spot?

Call off, plug in a range in equilab and you'll know for sure but from memory if you're putting in more than 1/4 of your stack against a reasonable 4b range you can't fold

I know but the game I play in there are almost no 4 bets other than a couple of the better players who you know can be making a move and whenever there is 66BB+ of money in pre its almost always KK or AA and I keep getting into these "standard" spots and getting my ass kicked every time.

I would cbet flop. If I 3bet and I have back doors to nut flush and straights, this is good enough equity to fire. This a good board to do it on.

As played its tough - if a club comes, there's a chance villain completely shuts down.

Ouch, yeah, I should've flatted. It puts us in a bad spot, but yeah this is an obvious flat, and I actually can't believe I didn't come to that conclusion on my own.

So are you suggesting checking this turn, even though we pick up equity, had we c bet flop and he called, because of the fact that he's a station?

Line check 1/3

V1 (covers) had above average aggression, calls a little light post flop sometimes and will attack weakness when you show you some IP

V2 (180ish to start) is relatively unknown but open limping hands, seems call station.

H(350) relatively new to the table, shown nothing down

V1 opens 20 from ep, h flat 66 from mp, v2 calls bu, bb calls

FJc6h3s x, ep 50, h calls bu calls bb fold
tAh x, h x, bu all un for 100, ep 220, h all in for 280, ep calls

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First off are you confident in his opening range that you are 3b for value vs 9x open?

Once you check flop, and then bet turn what do you rep JJ-99? You might be betting some of these combos otf anyway. Unless you are checking TP+ a lot a loose villain will look you up

I'd of preferred cbetting flop and turn or checking down

I would of bet turn since V2 is a station and I don't expect him to be aggro enough to make checking a better option. AP yeah stack off nothing else you can do

Yea, did not like my check on the turn. Not sure what I was thinking, blame it on the wrist I guess.

Hero held, v had AJ. I figured v has too many AK, AQ, AJ combos in addition to JJ and AA

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Are we C-betting whiffed hands at all against a tilted losing reg?

1/3 underground game. Villain is an overaggressive reg hero have logged hundreds of hours with, he is drinking tonight and down heaps in the game. He have played basically every hand for the last hour or so.

Hero is playing 450, villain covers.Villain raises MP to 12, whale who calls any two calls button. Hero looks down at AJ off in the BB, and 3 bets to 50 for fat value against a ridic wide opening range. Villain instacalls, announcing he is gonna suck out on hero like he have done many times before. Button folds, so we go heads up to a 5-5-Q flop with a flushdraw. Under normal conditions villain respects my C-bets alot, and i know he respects my game too. However, now that he is tilted and drinking+ down piles in the game- do we simply shut down our bluff C-bets completely against him or what do you guys think?

Why wouldn’t you cbet this board? You’re going to have the best hand a ridiculous % of the time because it’s paired and he basically has 100% of his range given description