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12-18-2018 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Leaving the scene of a crime.
I hope this is the right place for a small conundrum I'm finding myself in lately. In order to break a small recent downsing, at 1/2, I switched from the full buy in of 300 to 200.
Except for a few bumps on the road, it's been working fine so far.
But, what do I do if I double up and all of a sudden have a 400 stack?
I'm back to having to adjust my game. Do I cut the session short?
That's no good, I think. Or, just keep playing?
Stupid question maybe but at least stress free!
Really depends on your rooms rules and how it plays.

Our room is currently busy enough and its 5 tables jam packed that if you leave your table you're basically done playing poker for the day cuz it would literally take you hours to get back on. So unless you're ready to go home and call it a day, that ain't a great option. If you aren't going to have a long wait if you leave the game, and your recycle wait time isn't too bad (I believe our room is an hour but again it's unlikely you'd get thru the wait list that quickly), you could cash out, get some lunch, and the get back on the table again with your shortstack BI; not a realistic option most times in my room (plus I would hate attempting to kill an hour in a casino).

Our room doesn't allow you to go south when you switch tables (you must bring your whole stack over), but some rooms do allow this. But even if you can't go south yourself, you can look for tables that have smaller stacks (perhaps a new one that has just recently started) or perhaps look for tables where everyone that has a big effective stack is easy peasy ABC to play with. So if you're uncomfortable at your particular table against bigger stacks, change to an easier / shorter table.

You'll of course find yourself sometimes playing in an uncomfortable deep situation. Just try to figure out what adjustments that you are comfortable making. Mostly I go super passive and don't attempt to make a big pot until I'm ready to make a big pot. While that strategy will get flamed for not being optimal / yadda yadda yadda, it can still be an +EV strategy which will allow you to sit in a uncomfortable deep situation until the situation changes.

ETA: As G mentions, also do your best not to get a scummy going-south / recycle reputation. Simply changing tables as tactfully as possible will help avoid that.

GgoodluckG

Last edited by gobbledygeek; 12-18-2018 at 01:07 PM.
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12-18-2018 , 01:23 PM
Thank you guys. I really wasn't expecting such thoughtful feedback.
And, I know this topic has been touched on a ton.
So, the reasons I decided to throw it out there anyways.
I sat at a table Sat. Late afternoon and I doubled up in a limped pot with pocket 9's very early after I sat down. I
As soon as I say down, I noticed unusually large stacks for 1/2.
Looked like half the table had between 700 to 1k.
Soon after I double up, I realized why.
People were 3 betting to 40 and 50 and getting multiple calls.
It was pretty insane. I tightened up and didn't want my intentions to be obvious so I waited for an hour to pass. As I racking up, my neighbor, for the first time ever said, " hit and running? "
I was taken aback there. I'm afraid of just what was mentioned, getting a bad rep.
Ok, that was a lot longer than anticipated. I leave it at that for now.
Thanks again.
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12-18-2018 , 01:54 PM
You don't have other tables to move to?

GcluelesspokerenvironmentnoobG
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12-18-2018 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
You don't have other tables to move to?

GcluelesspokerenvironmentnoobG
Yes, that's what I did after grabbing lunch. I would never cut a session that short. I've played plenty of 4 and 5 hours but never like that. Now that I realize, in order to improve, I need to put in the hours, I've been playing Sunday as wel.
I no longer play exclusively at Fox. BUT, this room is a decent size also and early afternoon the wait time isn't that terrible. Anywhere between half hour to an hour. Thing is, since I've become a regular there on the weekends at least, I'm starting to know people and people are starting to know me. By face at least.
I guess I'll have to deal with it and start playing more regular sessions( 7 to 8 hour range. Putting in long sessions GG starts making feel more like a job than recreational. For me at l least.
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12-18-2018 , 02:31 PM
Regarding session lengths / number of sessions, as a rec player you're allowed to do whatever you want. I put in a ~12 hour session on Sunday but only cuz I wanted to. Do what *you* want.

I'm still unclear on the table situation, but it sounds like you have lots of tables you can move to, so regarding the avoiding playing deep thing simply move to a shorterstack / easier table shortly after doubling up and becoming deep, imo.

GgoodluckG
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12-18-2018 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Regarding session lengths / number of sessions, as a rec player you're allowed to do whatever you want. I put in a ~12 hour session on Sunday but only cuz I wanted to. Do what *you* want.

I'm still unclear on the table situation, but it sounds like you have lots of tables you can move to, so regarding the avoiding playing deep thing simply move to a shorterstack / easier table shortly after doubling up and becoming deep, imo.

GgoodluckG
Yeah, thanks. For me to put in long sessions like you, I'd probably need Viagra. Not the youngest anymore GG.

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. Yeah, changing tables is something most everyone does, and where I play, it's no problem.
I thought only, cashing out and getting back on the list, would become more noticeable by others and look unethical, the kind word, the more familiar I become to the regs.
But, likening said, I think I'm ready for the next step anyhow.
I'll continue to buy in for 2 but just grind through.
Time for me to man up and start walking the walk instead of just talking the talk.
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12-18-2018 , 03:19 PM
Where I play, if you change tables, you must pocket the excess over the table maximum.
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12-18-2018 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Where I play, if you change tables, you must pocket the excess over the table maximum.
I'm not sure about policy where I play but that sounds as it should be.
I don't think I've ever noticed anyone ever moving to my table from another with more than the max buy in.
On the occasion when I switch tables, it's usually when I feel the current table isn't favourable for me. Interpretation , less chips
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12-18-2018 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Where I play, if you change tables, you must pocket the excess over the table maximum.


Same - I hate the rule
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12-20-2018 , 02:24 AM
Raise Ahkc EP $10 and two callers (shorty $80 and compentnt player on BTN who covers). Hero has $370.

Flop: 8h-7h-2s. Checks to btn who bets $15 into $30. Hero calls shorty calls. Pot $75.

Turn: As. Check to btn who bets $40. Only hero calls. Pot $155.

River: 8c. Hero?
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12-20-2018 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Raise Ahkc EP $10 and two callers (shorty $80 and compentnt player on BTN who covers). Hero has $370.

Flop: 8h-7h-2s. Checks to btn who bets $15 into $30. Hero calls shorty calls. Pot $75.

Turn: As. Check to btn who bets $40. Only hero calls. Pot $155.

River: 8c. Hero?
I assume 1/2 so...

x/f
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12-20-2018 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by adrianpk
I assume 1/2 so...

x/f
1/3 but same thing.
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12-20-2018 , 03:08 AM
I would b/f the turn
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12-20-2018 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Where I play, if you change tables, you must pocket the excess over the table maximum.
I obviously believe you, but that seems really really really strange. Never seen it.
Where I play, if you're in a game and a new table opens you're not even allowed to go to the new table for 2 hours unless you have under the table max.

So if you have like $1100 in a 2/5 you have to wait 2 hours before you can change.

Where I play, nitballs will win like 100 BBs and sit out an hour and come back with the minimum a ton. So if they could do that during a table change all hell would break loose
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12-20-2018 , 07:35 AM
I would just x/f the flop. In the event we aren't beaten button probably has a whole bunch of outs and this is going to be really hard to get to showdown. Like, the path to showdown versus a bluffing hand probably involves check-calling 3 times, and I just don't believe the button is aggressive to the point that I can do that with AK. If my hand has no path to showdown then I need to x/f immediately, even if the argument for seeing another street seems plausible in isolation.

As played, I think x/f river is crazy, this is a dream bluffing card for any draw that has taken this line. Betting for value is kind of suspicious because it involves him having exactly an 8 or a full. Like, he won't bet with a bad ace, or 99+, or a 7. His value betting range is fairly thin, while his bluffs range seems large. (If it's not clear, I think x/c is miles superior to betting, as well).
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12-20-2018 , 07:43 AM
I don't know though, thinking about it, my assumption is that button's betting range is stronger because we're three handed, but is that really true? I feel like he might be betting 100% of his range in that spot. In which case, maybe check-call three times with AK is correct. In other words, we're saying it's more likely than not that he has no pairs on this flop.
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12-20-2018 , 12:23 PM
So, let me get this straight. We are faced with a 40 river bet, making the pot 155? We are getting almost 4 to 1 ? Unless we have such a lockdown read on opponent/ situation, that we're beat,don't we always have to call?
We're giving away a lot of long term equity with a fold. Am I wrong?
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12-20-2018 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
So, let me get this straight. We are faced with a 40 river bet, making the pot 155? We are getting almost 4 to 1 ? Unless we have such a lockdown read on opponent/ situation, that we're beat,don't we always have to call?
We're giving away a lot of long term equity with a fold. Am I wrong?
No, he bet $40 OTT and hero called. River is no action yet. Hero acts first.
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12-20-2018 , 06:30 PM
Sorry. Not the first time I made that mistake.
I thought we were at the river and would be closing the action.
Total whiff. I'm opening a new account with the screen name "whiffer", only because viffer is one of my hero's.

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12-20-2018 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rmbxr9
I obviously believe you, but that seems really really really strange. Never seen it.
Borgata: if you ask to change tables, you enter the new table as a new player (have to post, min/max applies).
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12-20-2018 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Raise Ahkc EP $10 and two callers (shorty $80 and compentnt player on BTN who covers). Hero has $370.

Flop: 8h-7h-2s. Checks to btn who bets $15 into $30. Hero calls shorty calls. Pot $75.

Turn: As. Check to btn who bets $40. Only hero calls. Pot $155.

River: 8c. Hero?
So sorry DB if I sabotaged your question. It seems no one else is giving their opinion. If you want to hear mine, for what it's worth, here it is.

Ok, you gave up your pre flop initiative by checking the flop to on!y 2 callers. Btn, who you say is a competent player, decides to take the lead, after being checked to. I don't know how much experience you exactly have with him. Does competent player mean he'd call a 15 pre flop raise with a sc like 8,7? Or is he a competent player who senses weakness and is taking advantage of position? By checking the flop, we have a hard time putting villain on a range now. His flop bet could be anything.
He's going to continue on the turn after you check again. 40 seems pretty standard. I don't know what I , my self , would have done on the turn , to be honest. But sometimes I'd bet out myself, maybe around 50, only because I intend to call up to that much, if I check and villain bets.
It would give me a better idea of villains feelings about the hand.
If he folds, I'm fine with it. If he calls, I'd probably just x/ f the river.
If he raised my Turn bet, I'd fold and feel good about my play. We were intending to call his Turn bet if we checked anyways?
I'd probably just check /call, check/fold the river.
I'm expecting him to bet big if he bets the river at all.
he could easily have a busted draw but that's the dilemma, I think we can only beat a bluff now.
That's how I see it. I could be totally off.
Ps. If he showed up with a hand like A8, take him off the competent player list!

Last edited by Nepeeme2008; 12-20-2018 at 10:45 PM.
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12-20-2018 , 11:50 PM
I bet folded river $75 to his min raise. He showed up with 87o. lol.
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12-21-2018 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
I bet folded river $75 to his min raise. He showed up with 87o. lol.
Yeah, you sort of had the feeling. I'm not surprised.
Usually, a good indicator of villains hand strength his what he does on the turn. When you think about it, it's the most important street by far.
That's where hand strength and villain intent is unmasked.
Reminds me of a hand I butchered with Kings actually.
Is this guy a donkey for calling 15 with that hand?
Only if we didn't pay him off. If we let him trap us, then it's on us.
Well played overall. Good fold.
Now let me get some sleep will yeah.
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12-24-2018 , 03:51 PM
Well, it looks like I'm the boss of this thread. So, I'm gonna throw another fun, no brainer, no stress hand at y'all, like a boss!
1/2 table, as usual. Mixed group of OMC's, rec's and with a couple of tourist types in the mix.
Eff stacks 100
V , young female. Around 20 to 26 is my soul read.
I've played with her before. Maybe a couple of months ago.
Bought in for 100, same as this time. Donk bet into me all 3 streets with both of us having top pair, but she having worse kicker.
OTTH
I decide to limp along with QJs, from middle position, GG style.
Villain limped in front, I have position on her. Away with the dirty thoughts, she's half my age.
Flop 8 Q 8
Villain bets 15/ sorry , not sure pot size, wasn't taking notes. I call, everyone else folds.
Turn is a brick, no flush draw, no straight draw.
Villain bets 20, I call
River is another blank, villain bets 20 again.
Now, my initial thoughts on the turn were, she probably doesn't have an 8, probably a Q with worse kicker.
When she bet 20 again on the river, I saw she only had about 40 behind, but it puzzled me that she just keeps on betting. Maybe she does have an 8?
No way I'm folding. But, should I just call or go for full value and put her all in?

Last edited by Nepeeme2008; 12-24-2018 at 04:03 PM.
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12-25-2018 , 11:37 AM
She open-limped; her range is capped. You know her to bet all three streets with TPWK.

She most certainly can have an 8 (although would she play it like this? You would know that better than I would).

If you raise, what worse hands than yours will she call with?

I say don't raise. Just call her third barrel, and hope you win. You won't all the time but you will often enough.
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