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10-19-2018 , 09:09 AM
Moving up to 2-5, table is good - 2-3 reg good player and rest are fish whales, 750 deep (hero is effective). Hero might be a bit scared money but not much, not buying in for full 1k.

Folds to reg on CO he opens to 25.
Folds to Hero on SB with AQo.
Whats our plan here against a reg, taking variables into account - more fish than good players - playing oop vs a reg?
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10-19-2018 , 09:25 AM
I don't mind a flat, especially if BB is a whale. I don't particularly want to go to war against a reg from OOP where it's dubious if I can have any advantage. If I can a let a bad BB into the hand by flatting that would be nice, if not then I think the mistake CO is most likely to make is being too aggressive against the flat. I feel like we can probably passively check call down on Axx and Qxx flops and make money.
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10-19-2018 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Hand 1 looks good. Not thrilled with having to call the river but the whale could plausibly just be value betting an 8 or something.

Hand 2 I'd just make a standard size bet OTR. If he's not calling enough there are plenty more bluffs we can put through this line.

Hand 3 you didn't give a river but I doubt it matters. I'm not folding for this price. He probably just has a 3 but we can't really fold at any point.
I agree with all of these conclusions, but I think the bet sizings seem too small on multiple streets in these hands.
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10-19-2018 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by stlows
Moving up to 2-5, table is good - 2-3 reg good player and rest are fish whales, 750 deep (hero is effective). Hero might be a bit scared money but not much, not buying in for full 1k.

Folds to reg on CO he opens to 25.
Folds to Hero on SB with AQo.
Whats our plan here against a reg, taking variables into account - more fish than good players - playing oop vs a reg?
Yes, if bb sucks a call is fine for sure. However, if it's likely you'll be playing this guy a lot in these games, I think you need to be 3betting this hand some of the time or it becomes very easy for a perceptive reg to exploit. You're ahead of his range and you can just fold to a 4bet without much issue. You'll miss most flops, but you can still cbet/give up a lot of flops that are better for your range (e.g. K72r).
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10-19-2018 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Hi all,

1/3. Hero is playing $175. Hero limps behind with KQhh in CO and BTN raises to $15 and gets three callers including hero. V is young TAG who has shown down a big bluff or two heads up against another V. Pot $60.

Flop: K-4-K. Checks through.

Turn: 2. Hero bets $16. Folds to V who c/r to $35. Hero calls.

River: T. V jams. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
Others will hate the initial overlimp but I don't hate it at these types of tables with shortstacks.

What do we think of the raise? This is kinda a small raise after a bunch of limpers. Is this a juicer? Can he be doing this with a wide range even after a world of limpers? With this stack and $50ish already in the pot, I would consider a shove at this point. If we think this is only big hands then I don't mind just calling.

I'm also checking the flop. SPR is 3 so we can easily get stacks in whenever we want.

Where is Villain relative to everyone else? Even though our turn bet is very small / stabby, if he's doing this like out-of-the-blinds with other people behind him to react this is a little scary (as there could still be slowplayers in the crowd). I probably also call the turn check/raise and evaluating the river.

If the end we got in decent percentages of our stack preflop and flopped trips with a good kicker in a small SPR (albeit multiway one) and we are up against a guy who is capable of bluffing, so I wouldn't hate stacking off here. Most people kinda give up with bluffing here once their turn check/raise is called, although I guess he could be value betting worse.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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10-19-2018 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by stlows
Moving up to 2-5, table is good - 2-3 reg good player and rest are fish whales, 750 deep (hero is effective). Hero might be a bit scared money but not much, not buying in for full 1k.

Folds to reg on CO he opens to 25.
Folds to Hero on SB with AQo.
Whats our plan here against a reg, taking variables into account - more fish than good players - playing oop vs a reg?
I re-raise to $75 and go from there. I have been incorporating re-raise or fold strategy in SB and it's been most effective.
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10-19-2018 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by stlows
Moving up to 2-5, table is good - 2-3 reg good player and rest are fish whales, 750 deep (hero is effective). Hero might be a bit scared money but not much, not buying in for full 1k.

Folds to reg on CO he opens to 25.
Folds to Hero on SB with AQo.
Whats our plan here against a reg, taking variables into account - more fish than good players - playing oop vs a reg?
80 to go. We can x/c flop or cbet 50 depending. Not really looking to fold at any point.
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10-19-2018 , 06:45 PM
Results:

h1. Villain accidentally bluffed with 64 not realizing they had a straight.

h2:V calls and wins with J6s.

H3: H calls and loses to 35s.
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10-19-2018 , 06:48 PM
1/3 live, V is the effective stack with $250. Passive player limps EP. H opens ATcc to $15 in the HJ, V calls.

Flop: 9h5c5s.

V donks $30. H?
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10-19-2018 , 07:17 PM
Just fold? I don't particularly want to try to bluff him off his 9. He could always just have a 5 as well.
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10-20-2018 , 09:03 AM
Trivial fold
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10-20-2018 , 10:46 AM
1/3. Hero playing $250. V is young BG (covers), talkative, on a winning streak. V limps and hero raises to $15 with AJo IP. V calls. Pot $30.

Flop: Q-J-4r. V checks, hero bets $20, V calls. Pot $70.

Turn: K. V leads $30. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
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10-20-2018 , 06:54 PM
Generally checking flop. Trivial fold turn, even if your aces, tens and jacks are all good, you're not getting odds.
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10-22-2018 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
1/3 live, V is the effective stack with $250. Passive player limps EP. H opens ATcc to $15 in the HJ, V calls.

Flop: 9h5c5s.

V donks $30. H?
At a lot of tables I'd just overlimp preflop (we've still got 4 players behind us to react preflop and there's still a very good chance we end up multiway and OOP in a bloated pot at my loose table, plus there's an ok chance we're owning ourselves against a passive limper). In the end we got it HU in position, so I can't hate too much if this is the result we expected.

I'd mostly just fold when a passive player bets. If we have a well known nit image and this guy knows it plus has a fold button then I guess I wouldn't hate getting out-of-line, but mostly I just fold (especially when this can easily be tarping hands like QQ+ that ain't folding).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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10-22-2018 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
1/3. Hero playing $250. V is young BG (covers), talkative, on a winning streak. V limps and hero raises to $15 with AJo IP. V calls. Pot $30.

Flop: Q-J-4r. V checks, hero bets $20, V calls. Pot $70.

Turn: K. V leads $30. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
Preflop is pretty position dependent for me, but if we're like the ~Button then fine.

I'm fine with a flop bet. Worse hands (including draws) can call and we protect our equity. I don't hate a check back either (I would probably lean to a check back against aggro-ier players).

I mostly just fold on the turn. 3rd pair is rarely good and we may have a lot fewer outs than we think we do (plus poor IO on a T if it happens to be good).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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10-22-2018 , 12:22 PM
Hello y'all. Everyone's favorite older MAWG back for another Low Stress Srat Question! I'm doing things a little differently,and this is a bit of a different type of scenario. 1/2 nl casino
V1 is a bit of an odd character, to say the least. Late 60's early 70's.
White male with faded pink fingernail paint and bushy, art garfunkel type hair. Not making fun of him, great guy and lot's of fun to play with.
V2 typical solid, thinking 30sh Asian male.
Hero, yours truly.

V1 has been getting more and more aggressive as time passes.
He's seen that his donk bets have been getting through and when he's not raising, he's limping a ton. Seeing a lot of flops.
Not your typical OMC.
This is great, what he's doing, if no one knows how to react to it.
His problem is that he's become so transparent. I've decided to take advantage.
OTTH.
V1 raises 10 in EP.
I call in middle position with A5dd. I want to play as many hands against this guy as possible.

V2 also calls on late position(CO, BTN?), everyone else folds.
As expected, V1 bets out on flop. I float and V2 also calls.
V1 bets 30 in turn.
I know V1 is betting with air. Problem is, V2 calls the 30 also.
V1 bets 75 on river.
My plan was to call him all the way down with A high.
This may sound suicidal to some, but I know that I'm good against V1.
The problem is V2.
So, not knowing what V2 is going to do, I have to fold.
V2 tanks for a bit, all the while I'm thinking to myself, "call you fool" .
V2 calls with AQ and V1 shows Queen high and folds.
Nobody has a pair. Obviously, V2 was a competent player.
My question is, should I have raised the river all in. I think it would have worked but I didn't have the guts to follow my conviction.
Oh well. Fish are fish, sigh.
Any thoughts??

Last edited by Nepeeme2008; 10-22-2018 at 12:34 PM.
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10-22-2018 , 01:13 PM
^^^^

Any plan that involves calling down with A high in a multiway pot plus OOP to someone else behind you is just very meh, imo. Fish could easily be betting better (or even bluffing better) and of course guy behind you could be stationing with a monster.

Gwaitforbetterspots,imoG
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10-22-2018 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
^^^^

Any plan that involves calling down with A high in a multiway pot plus OOP to someone else behind you is just very meh, imo. Fish could easily be betting better (or even bluffing better) and of course guy behind you could be stationing with a monster.

Gwaitforbetterspots,imoG
Ok. I knew I could depend on you GG!
Well, I guess I owe some further explanation.
My original intent was flopping something, not calling down with total air.
What I should have done is iso raise, but I didn't want V1 to fold.
So, why did I resort to plan B? When you play a while with someone, especially if they're on the active side, you start to pick up tells on their mannerisms. I could jus tell by the way that he was betting, and the expression in his face, he didn't have nothing.
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10-22-2018 , 02:21 PM
Yeah, I don't have too much of a problem with your preflop and flop plan (although they are high variance and still somewhat debatable), but things have to change when the third guy starts getting involved.

GimoG
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10-22-2018 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Yeah, I don't have too much of a problem with your preflop and flop plan (although they are high variance and still somewhat debatable),

GimoG
Do you think this could possibly have anything remotely to do with me being down?
Oh well, did manage to book a 290 win. Only 1400 still to go until even!!
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10-22-2018 , 05:48 PM
3bet pre
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10-22-2018 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 4_4
3bet pre
Ok Ok, smarty pants, agreed.
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10-23-2018 , 11:00 AM
Personally, I find a 3bet to just a $10 open from MP is likely too early to be doing this (far too many people to wake up with hands behind us, our likely 3bet size unless we're putting in gobs might be too enticing and get called in multiple spots, we could easily end up OOP, etc). For this cheap price from this position I don't mind a flat and then play poker postflop depending on the result (multiway more ~nutmine versus more play your lone opponent if it somehow gets shorthanded, etc).

GimoG
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10-23-2018 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Personally, I find a 3bet to just a $10 open from MP is likely too early to be doing this (far too many people to wake up with hands behind us, our likely 3bet size unless we're putting in gobs might be too enticing and get called in multiple spots, we could easily end up OOP, etc). For this cheap price from this position I don't mind a flat and then play poker postflop depending on the result (multiway more ~nutmine versus more play your lone opponent if it somehow gets shorthanded, etc).

GimoG
Also valid points. If you're referring to my particular hand, V2 with his AQo may or may have not called. Depending on my bet size.
V1 was also not a complete maniac or idiot. He did know how to fold against a raise to his bets. Bit, if yoy(opponents) just called and reacted passively to his bets, he'd continue his line of betting. Thus, why I wanted to play the hand the way I did.
I have a day job, just trying to improve, not always trying to necessarily win.
Hoping to be ready for June , 2019.
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10-23-2018 , 01:37 PM
ETA: I also don't mind just flat out folding preflop, and being the first caller with still lots of people behind us (most in position with us in an awkward spot right after the preflop raiser) is kinda meh unless a lot of the overcallers are horrible and we're unlikely to get 3bet.

GbutI'manit,sothere'sthatG
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