1/3 just sat down 20 minutes ago. Effective stacks 315. V is obviously a reg as I saw him on bravo app and he knows everyone here. He has already limped a few times so not initially too impressed but he generally knows what he is doing. H's first time in this casino, 30s WG, nicely dressed.

V limps from MP, H 15 w/ATo in HJ, SB call, BB call, V call.

Flop (55) KQJr, checks to H, H 50, fold, fold, V calls.

Turn (155) 6, V check, H shoves for 250

Is this a crazy overplay? I just felt there were so many two pairs in his range that he wouldn't fold on the turn...

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Massively too much. Two pair hands would probably have checkraised you OTF because you have a lot of hands with outs, like AK. He likely has something like JTs.

Even if he does have two pair, what's the hurry? Unless the river is an A or T, of which there are only 6, he's not getting away from two pair OTR.

There are two pair hands in his range that can fold too. And any pair plus straight draw hands.

Basically you gave your opponent an opportunity to play perfect against you.

Weird spot with KK in 1/2:

Effective stacks $250, no reads as I just sat down.

I open to $10 UTG with KK, folds around to button who min-raises to $20, SB calls $20, I 3-bet to $100, and both call!

Flop comes Q-x-x (can't recall exactly, but they were 2 small unconnected cards).

Even though I'd expect a 4-bet all-in instead, I figure at least one of these players is playing QQ+ AK here. How many other hands are calling a 3-bet pre-flop for 40% of the effective stack?

QQ now crushes me, as does AA. We block AK and KK. The only reasonable bet sizing is all-in. Is this a spot to check/fold KK?

Dude, no. Your equity against QQ+ AK is 44% and it's far from clear that that's what buttons range is. SBs range is nothing of the kind, he probably has like a mid pocket pair.

Depending on what type of player button is, I might proceed with caution preflop against his weird min threebet, but 95% of the time I'm just 4betting and getting stacked.

Actually it was the SB who stacked me with AA! Really did not expect that.

Yea I'm probably a little too result-oriented with this hand. Shoving into a strong hand and getting stacked always makes one feel stupid even if it was the correct decision...

I just think being OOP where we can't control the size of the pot against this guy puts us in far too many gross spots where we are often being tested for lottsa bets with extremely mediocre holdings.

I also go out of my way to not play OOP (the more I play, the more I realize how important position is). So I simply can't have this guy near my left where I'm just going to end up in this OOP spot too often.

GimoG

I'm fine with preflop, and assuming we didn't expect this poor result of going so multiway.

The SPR on the flop is about 5.5, which means we could play for stacks with 2 overbets. If this is our plan (i.e. betting the turn for stacks), then I think we'd be better off overbetting the flop to make this slightly easier, especially since no one is folding the flop with two pair / pair + OESD / idiot straight / etc. So if that's our plan (which I'm totally cool with), I would have bet upwards of ~$75 on the flop to setup an easier turn shove of about a ~PSB.

If the board contained a flush draw, I think I would definitely plan on getting stacks in just 2 streets. With no flush draw I'm either/or, and I think planning on 2 streets or 3 streets are both reasonable options.

ETA: Unlike others, I'm cooler with your plan so long as we bet much larger on the flop (where we get maximum value from hands that are never folding the flop but will consider folding later streets). There are a crapload of action killing cards (although admittedly not as many as a flush draw board) so doing this ASAP is fine, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Thanks I kinda spazzed on the turn and forgot how much of an overbet that was.

Anyway v snap calls with JQo lol. Hits a Q on river but w/e.

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This is another reason to get things over with ASAP as there is a third of the deck that will prevent him from going with his hand (any four-to-a-straight A/T/9 plus counterfeiting K), plus there are also a crapload of cards that may stop us in our tracks.

Gyourplanisfine,yourbetsizingisjustoffalittle,imoG

You can't fold here. Pot is $300 and you have $150 left. With an overpair of Kings. Folding is insane, particularly as we can discount AA to some extent as AA is usually 4-bet here. You don't have to bet either and if my opponents are the least bit likely to bet AK or JJ if I x, then I am going to x. If it gets checked through and turn is a blank, I am still going to x. I'll shove river hoping for calls from underpairs if it gets that far.

Tangentially related to this - is it a valid strategy to flat 3b's with our entire range, including KK/AA, if we aren't going to have a polarized 4b range? I feel like anytime I 4b pre it turns my hand super face up, and there's not much room to 4b/fold with bluffs playing 100BB stacks.

[X] 4bet for value at low stakes.
[X] Continue step 1
[X] Profit

$1/$2. V1/OR is $180e. MAWG, loose/spewy. V2/caller is 60s reg, $300e, also loose/spewy. Hero has been very tight.

I didn't expect to go 3 way postflop (anticipated one, but not both), so I began to doubt my plan of shoving most flops (aka my usual line hu on many flops). I was also planning to call a donk shove from V1 if we went HU (ie ~ < 1 SPR), but wasn't sure how V2 was reading the situation (if at all). Thanks.

Hero (MP): A K

V1 r $15, fold x 2, V2 c $15, fold, Hero 3b $65, fold x 3, V1/V2 both call

Flop ($199): 7 6 3

Checked around

Turn (*): 3

V1 x, V2 b $75, H folds

nh; wp.

jam flop AINEC

+1

I think you're right, but it's pretty thin on this texture vs guys who are a bit sticky, no?

Given how much $1/2 players love to "put you on AK," I like not attacking this one.

On 2nd thought, I still lean jam, but 22 is the only PP they are folding. So, if we think they are weighted toward PP, check back is fine.

In general, I'd rather just fold out the JTs stuff and suck out when they wake up with 99.

Turn fold is fine, if i'm reading the HH correctly, we're in MP and the villains are up front. At least one of them should have an overpair that won't fold even though we have a strong perceived range. We have the nut no-pair so if we shove flop we are turning our hand into a bluff that will not get through IMO.

Eh... I don't like the idea of flatting 3 bets with your entire range. I guess you could employ a mixed strategy of sometimes 4 betting AA and sometimes flatting, particularly if the 3 bet is extremely large and the money is going in on the flop almost no matter what. Still, in those cases it's not likely someone 3 bets half his stack then folds to a 4 bet so I would just go the simpler route.

And you should try mixing in some 4 bet bluffs against certain opponent types. A5s works well...any suited wheel Ace is good because if the Ace blocker and the flush/straight possibilities give you some extra equity against KK. Even if it's against passive or nitty players they will often fold JJ QQ and AK which is always fun. Just don't 4 bet bluff people whose range is KK+ or people who are never 3-bet/folding.

How many players in your games are 3! light? What kind of range are they 3 betting? How do they react when they get 3bet? IME this info will help you build 3 and 4-bet value and bluff ranges.

As you've pointed out, a lot depends on stack depth. 100bb cap games just don't offer the maneuverability to 4b light. OTOH, even if our 4b range is super face-up, most opponents should be calling down with a similarly strong (but hopefully weaker) range.

If you have a read on an opponent or stack depth dictates flatting a 3b with AA/KK is ideal, go with it - like if an opponent can be super light and willing to stuff it drawing dead or if stacks are super shallow and you're never folding anyway.

If we weren't going to jam this flop, we shouldn't be 3betting pre at this stack depth.

Yes, we're turning it into a bluff now. Some villains will fold middle pairs, some won't. If we get called we have ~25% equity. Better that than surrendering and basically saying "bluff me with any two"

If we were deeper, c/f is fine.

If HU I agree it's NEC, but 3 way + reads made this less than an attractive spot imo. But yeah, you're probably onto something. Thanks.