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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
Hand 1: I'd call it off. The limp/rr is annoying as hell, but coming from the person described, I'd also think it's not an OMC trap range. Flop shove seems like spazz. Pretty awful value line.
Hand 2: Don't like the sizing pre. I either go with something large (~$30+) to get immediate folds/narrow it down significantly or I'll just overlimp if I think people really want to see the flop. I'd have a hard time not stacking off after calling the flop bet. Based on the broad description, I don't think he'd try to semi-bluff with J9, but that did get there. I guess he could have something like AQ. I see a lot of old people limp it pre. Not sure if this guy would over value it, but the we're near the top of our range, so if you felt like he could be wider than a set OTF, I'd call.
I appreciate everyone who responded to those hands btw. im quoting QS because this was pretty much line of thinking.
Just a quick comment: If youre giving up until clear proof your opponents are opening light or limp/rr'ing light, I feel like that is terrible strategy for SH'ed poker & absolutely awful for playing HU. By that logic in a HU game I can just raise on the button to some large figure or raise out the BB to some large figure until some # that gives you definitive proof im doing it too often however, by that time I can still be getting actual hands that are clearly raise for value etc. I get 2 data points is insignificant but because its live poker 2 limp/rr is enough for me to start to build a hypothesis and want to prove its validity. Maybe thats stupid but I think waiting until we get clear proof is often times impossible and we must infer from other actions villain takes/other things to build a clear picture. I dont know, im willing to be wrong but 2 limp rr'es in a very short amount of time and the 2nd being a 4 handed straddle game, I'm going to assume this dude didnt just get dealt KK+/AKs and start to operate off the hypothesis its a little wider than that. I'm curious to hear why this might be terrible though so please, if you have a good rebuttal im ears
That said, 4 handed AJs is waaaay too strong to fold but also vs the tighter range we can hypithesize we're against, way too weak to raise - but even if we widen that range, AJs still falls in this weird territory where I feel like folding is way too weak yet maybe turning it into a bluff sometimes has merit because of its AA and JJ blocking potential, though we'd prefer villain to have JJ as its a PP he can fold to pressure.
Anyway - in hand 1 - terrible value line i level myself into calling pretty quick, i figure once i snap the 75 im basically committed and I dont think we're getting a better board than that for our hand. He has TT, shrug emoji. ****ed up thing is if he doesnt shove flop I can envision a world where I dont lose my stack as the turn was a Q. Ahh more run bad.
Hand 2 - again, same **** - im completely confused. Pre raise sizing: im surprised so many folks want to pump this up so high im wondering if I should be 8-10x'ing vs 3-5 limpers in the future. I've been experimenting with smaller bet sizes in various spots and it is absolutely destroying me as i keep having complete trash call me two streets on the logic of "oh yourr flop bet was weak so i called, and then turn bet was big so i just put you on [two cards that whiffed]" and everybody seems to just bink rivers on me left and right.
Anyway hand 2 dude has bottom set again, i'm wondering if I can fold to tank 200 in the future though because it just didnt seem like he would tank on a bluff at all & I guess mother ****ers dont ever hit TPTK vs me when I have two pair so i should just remove that from their range clearly, shrug emoji.
Today I was one of those days where you have AQ and get 3 callers they all have Q8-QJ but everybody hits their kicker and you check fold flops for 40 dollars til u bleed 2 BIs and say **** it.
Last edited by smokingrobot; 10-12-2017 at 03:52 AM.