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Originally Posted by MK7749
1/3 300eff.
Hero BB 42o
5 limpers pre flop
J 8 4 all clubs. Gets cheked around.
TURN J 8 4 Jx checks to villain on BTN. He is very bad and has bet sizing tells. He bets 15. This is a naked club draw almost always. This is never a J cause no bet flop.
Hero raise to 45, villain calls.
River J 8 4 J 7 no flush. Villain stares me down and looks at his and mine chips. Never done this before but feels like hit.
My question is this is a shove or at least a huge bet every time tight?
Preflop obvious.
I would also typically check/fold the flop. We're OOP and have no idea what is potentially happening with a sucky hand.
I would probably donk the turn. No one showed any interest in the flop at all. It's possible our hand is good and we charge the draws. We could even bluff a better pair out of the pot (Jx or flush is not an unreasonable hand for us to show up with).
I don't hate the raise now that we've seen the turn action. I agree that Button rarely shows up with a J here. But I'm guessing he might also bet the flop if he had the naked club draw, so I'm not always convinced it's a draw.
I don't really understand our river thinking. Are we thinking Villain completed his OESD? The obvious flush draw missed. Are we thinking Villain called the turn with like a small (but bigger) pair + club draw? The pot is only ~$100 so there is no way I'm considering shoving ~$250 into it. We have showdown value against busted draws. I'm check/evaluating depending on his bluffing tendencies.
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