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Originally Posted by mikko
Ya I know 2+2 preflop strat. Done beating dead horse.
I don't want to pick up $10 pots with my premiums. Especially with suited Ax which has massive implied odds. Don't want guys to limp/fold bottom of their range and call with top of it.
You likely have no plan postflop when you raise to $18 with A5. By that, I mean you likely don't know how often you will be cbetting. For one you have no clue how many callers you will get. In my game. Likely 80% of limpers and 1 blind, except in this case both blinds where tight.
Getting to see the 4th card with many hands is very beneficial. By raising even small (in your opinion ) I pick up 4th card for free. Realizing equity in a lot of spots with my whole range.
How important is that 4th card? Extremely when you have hand that flops weak top pair rarely or draws. We flop a back door flush draw on 41% of boards. When majority of raising range is suited it adds up.
Let's say I play 200 hands per session. Raise 20% preflop (that is low for me). That is 40 hands. 40×$6 is $240 or 120BB.
So I have done the math. Both with how often I will be cbetting, and how many callers I can expect. Everything leads to smaller sizing pre IMO in these loose 1/2 and 1/3 games.
Live poker is played multi-way. You can fight it. Or accept it. I am done fighting it.
If you know everything and have poker solved, why post on 2+2?
A5ss /= premium.
Yea, I do have a plan when i raise to $18 w/ A5ss. I also do know my ranges and what board textures I’m cbetting; I’ve done a lot flop study. Saying I dont have a plan for post is pretty presumptuous.
When did I ever say that in my opinion you get a 4th card for free if you raise small?
If anything, the probability of you getting a free card decreases as the number of players go up. Say there are 8 people in pot #1 and 3 people in pot #2. You’re basically saying because of x raise size vs y raise size, pot #2 which has a gazillion less people is somehow going to let me see the 4th card at a higher proportion which makes no sense.
You cannot be serious when you say you’ve done the math with how many callers you get. That’s subjective probability. You cannot prove that if you raise to $18-$20 get 80% limpers and 1 blind caller on average. If you’re literally getting 4 callers everytime you 10x it, you should be 10x’ing with your premiums as well which you’re probably not because that’s not true. That’s literally almost impossible for a table to be that good (not saying it is 100% impossible).
And where are you even getting $6 from or 120BB? I’m assuming you’re saying an extra turn gives you $6? How do you know that if you have an SPR of 3 with 3 callers you’re less likely to see the turn than an SPR of 3 with 5 callers? And even if that were true for whatever reason, why arent you subtracting it from the expected amount of turns you get from the SPR of 3 with 5 callers (difference in means). Your math seems all over the place.
I get that live poker goes mulitway.
Overlimp pre. Problem solved.
Bloating it with A high 5 way SPR 2-3 w/ no kicker is not the solution.
Overlimp pre >>>>>>> $18-$20 >> $12
Last edited by Minatorr; 12-08-2018 at 02:44 PM.