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Not enough bluffs in range? Not enough bluffs in range?

03-07-2017 , 12:50 PM
1/2 NL, super loose table
QcJc in CU, 2 limps before me, I raise to 10. Button, BB, and both limpers call.
pot is now about 40
Flop comes 9cJdAc. Checks to me and i bet 25 and only the button calls.
pot is now 90
Turn is an 8s. I bet 50. button calls.
pot is now 190
river is a 3h. i check and he bets about 100. I ended up calling because i felt he wouldve raised all 2 pair hands sometime before the river. Also i dont think hes ever betting anything worse than a straight here for value. so does the fact that i have 2 clubs in my hand make this a fold? i also block some of the straights that got there but i also block the straight draws/flush draws that i want him to be bluffing with. so im not really sure how to evaluate my own hand and determine whether to call or not. anyways he ended up having QhTh
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03-07-2017 , 03:01 PM
Don't post results please.

Fold river, I would expect to be shown aces up here.

As far as blockers I believe it is more important to block their value hands than not block their bluffs. My reasoning is that value bets are more common than bluffs. Not sure that is correct though from a theory standpoint.

What do people think about checking flop? We're five-ways to the flop, do we ever get a fold here? Are we bet-3bet all in?
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03-07-2017 , 03:35 PM
Yes we have a nut type hand, definitely want to bet the flop and start building a huge pot. Ideal equity even against an ace and nut equity against any other flush draws!
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03-07-2017 , 04:29 PM
Yeah I probably x/c the flop. We're never folding everyone out and I don't think we're ahead enough. We have a ton of equity so let's not get pushed off of it.

Given that we bet the flop and turn the river is a x/f. Villains at 1/2 never have enough bluffs in their range.
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03-07-2017 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cafepoker
Yes we have a nut type hand, definitely want to bet the flop and start building a huge pot. Ideal equity even against an ace and nut equity against any other flush draws!
so what do you think about the turn bet? i feel like we have way too much equity to check fold the turn. so might as well bet and get weak aces to fold and maybe flush draws to call, instead of check calling or the action going check check
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03-07-2017 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by psujohn
Yeah I probably x/c the flop. We're never folding everyone out and I don't think we're ahead enough. We have a ton of equity so let's not get pushed off of it.

Given that we bet the flop and turn the river is a x/f. Villains at 1/2 never have enough bluffs in their range.
ya i agree. i guess the fact that i dismiss him having 2 pair there makes it closer. but if the bluffing frequency is close to 0 it doesnt really matter. so how do you play the turn if say the button bet the flop after we checked and only we called?
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03-07-2017 , 06:40 PM
If we x/c flop I would lead strong turn.

River:
Ace: x/f
Queen: x/not sure
Jack: b/not sure
8c: b/not sure
Other club: b/c
T: b/f
Other: jam if you think it will work often enough
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03-07-2017 , 09:03 PM
Pre flop, if the table is really loose and and our raises are being called multiway often than I would ditch qj pre-flop. Much rather play 5-6 than qj as we are less likely to be dominated and end up in a mess with a decent top pair.

As played, flop and turn is fine, now fold the river, as you have rightly ascertained we beat nothing but bluffs here, and he probably didn't call multiway on the flop and then again on the turn with a less than a j. We block most club draws that he could have that missed, and the straight got there on the turn.
So easy river fold imo
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