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11-11-2013 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
Villain is almost certainly betting river with AxAc and JJ, TT here as all thise hands are basically the nuts here and he wouldnt want it to check behind. That leaves 3 combos of AA with no club and 3 combos of KK with no club and 3 combos of KK with a club. Assuming he's competent he may even bet KxKc some of the time. We have no showdown equity against his range AND most of his checking range can't call a river bet, this is an easy bluff
You're right, I missed that. In that case I agree the river bet is fine.
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11-11-2013 , 11:03 PM
i also like the river bluff though but i think 140-180 is a better bet
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11-11-2013 , 11:09 PM
I feel that some players are just too easy to read. There are times when I have made a "huge laydown" with a very strong hand because I was 99% sure my opponent had the stone cold nuts.

If I posted these hands, I would definitely get destroyed by people saying I'm a nit but it's the right play. If you put a guy on a hand that beats yours and are confident in that fact, save the money and fold. Go with your read and pick your battles.

Definitely should have checked the river or maybe folded the turn but don't bluff in this situation unless you have more money to really push this guy off his hand. He wouldn't call a $400 bet but at that price, is your risk reward worth it?
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11-12-2013 , 12:00 AM
Once you got to the river, bluffing is ok, the sizing is way too much, if he's folding he's folding to $110.

But the thinking ott is really bad. You're pinning him on KK/AA but you want ot bluff him off that. Half of the AA combos have the Ac and won't fold to any river except possibly a T. Half the KK combos have the Kc and will only fold to a T river or maybe the three non-club A's.
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11-12-2013 , 01:04 AM
Slim, I'm glad I saw your posts here and in other topics. After you made those two threads I thought you might be stuck in relapse =℉
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11-12-2013 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
Once you got to the river, bluffing is ok, the sizing is way too much, if he's folding he's folding to $110.

But the thinking ott is really bad. You're pinning him on KK/AA but you want ot bluff him off that. Half of the AA combos have the Ac and won't fold to any river except possibly a T. Half the KK combos have the Kc and will only fold to a T river or maybe the three non-club A's.
Ya turn is the problem really.
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11-12-2013 , 05:04 AM
what do you think he had???

calling ott is worse than either folding or raising.

If you decide to turn your hand into a bluff, raising ott applies maximum pressure and likely increases your fe more than flatting and bluffing otr, but you know how it is when it comes to moving your opponents, especially nitty ones that wait around for premiums, off their big hands.

both calling and folding otf are close, I'd lean towards calling and evaluate ott since there is still a chance that your standard tight opponent mechanically cbets his overs+gutters on this flop.
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