Hello everyone.
Usual poker club. Deep stack table,blinds 1/1. Everyone is putting the straddle on apart from me and maybe 1-2 other players

I know both players since we have been playing a lot together lately.
BTN is a TAG player, I think he's a tournament player more than cash game. Seems capable of folding and has a general good read on this field.
Early position limper is a recreational player, he likes to 3bet light and in the previous games often went to the showdown holding marginal hands and some spwey bluffs. This player had the idea hero is a totally nit player, so I decided to 3b/show some bluffs in the past sessions (just to avoid not getting paid from worse big pairs in case of preflop allin).

Straddle is on for 2
V1 (300$) limps in from early position, I'm in the CO (400$) with JJ and make it 14 to go; BTN also calls (300-350$).




flop (45$) comes J 8 5
actions checks to me and I bet 24$, both players call

turn (120$) is J 8 5 6

EP checks, I bet 60, btn folds, EP goes into the tank and calls

river (240$) is J 8 5 6 Q

EP jams all in for 195$, hero (bigger stack) ??


thoughts: I know I may size small sometimes. It's something I'm trying to deal with.
OTF: I don't know if I would change the size here since I don't want to win the pot OTF because in general field is very fishy and you always want to get max value with top set. Even over cards can continue check calling here
OTT: Sometimes I don't pay the right attention at opponent stack sizes, especially when the flop is multi-way. Probably I would had sized bigger on this street (100$?)

So it´s a deepstack nl100?
Pre 14 in lp is fine.

On such a wet flop you should bet at least 35. We have top set but there are a lot of hands that can continue and will pay 35 or more if they are willing to pay 24.
Turn is way to small 3way. After betting 24 otf, we should bet ~100 ott. It makes it easier to get the money in on the river.
You give both player to good of a price when betting so small.

The way you described villain we have to call and will sometimes run into T9.
But villain ("in the previous games often went to the showdown holding marginal hands and some spwey bluffs") will also have worse hands here.

Good lord, bet more.

But the way you get max value with top set is to build a big pot. What you're doing is trying to maximise value on this street, not on the hand overall. If you make the pot bigger now, then your bets on the turn and river will be bigger. It's OK to size smaller if there's virtually nothing your opponents can call with. If the flop is J62 rainbow then sure, bet half pot. But this is a wet board and there's plenty of random stuff they can have.

The problem with slowplaying on wet boards is that there are a lot of bad turn cards and those bad cards operate in two ways - you might lose on the turn (if someone called with 74 because it was cheap, they're now going to help themselves to your stack) or the card might kill your action. A spade is a bad card for you even if nobody has a flush.

With the described villain, you have to call the river, since he's both capable of bluffing the river and is less likely to have T9 than passive players, since he might have played it more aggressively before this point - leading the flop, or checkraising the flop, or whatever.

yes the game is 1-1 but there is virtually no max (800$ when playing 1/1 - max straddle 4, than 1000$ when they usually raise the blinds to 1/2 late in the night , with max straddle 8). One straddle is on 60-70% of the time no matter the blinds so the game has virtually 3 blinds.

Actually I made 25 OTF but nothing change, think the bigger problem is OTT here

I like a bit more on the flop, $30 - $35, especially vs. two players. I probably go a bit higher on turn, too.

As played vs. this V, it's river is a must call.

Pot flop and like 65%-70% ott.

As played ez call

I'm okay with the hand as played as long as you called river, but to nit pick I'd beet 30ish on flop and then 80ish on turn.

What everyone else said - size up your bets a bit.

AP, I'm snap calling river.

Have to size up as others have said. You want to build a pot with top set and anyone who is calling $24 is calling $35. Same on the turn.

AP, V tanked the turn when you gave him 3-1. IMO, T9 calls that sizing quickly as it is the same odds you gave on the flop. So I discount T9 here and lean towards weaker two pair and flush draws. Also important to note that Hero does not hold the J, so V could have top pair and a flush draw in his range with KJ, AJ, QJ, JT, J9 etc.

This is not an instant snap for me, but with 30 seconds or so of thought, it is an easy call IMO.

Top set on wet board = shovel in the money. Like $30 is minimum, I'd size to $35. Turn bet is bad sizing as well.

If flop is $35, you have $150 OTT and $350 behind, make it $120 to set up a trivial river shove.

Villain as described makes this a call,

I don't show bluffs, it's actually OK to have fold equity in poker.

Thanks everyone for your feeback.
As many of you, I think I missed some value along the streets giving good odds for the draws to call, it's something I have to work on to avoid same mistake in the future.

Btw, I took 30-40 seconds to make the call. Before I did it I asked him if he had 4-7 because I knew he would have raised 9T before the turn trying to put all the chips in the middle.
He was first to show so I waited until he showed AT offsuited for a total floating/bluff OTR.
I am wondering what would have happened if I had AA or AJ

Wow, never underestimate some % of complete napkins at these levels. Good Call OP.